Izzy interviews our resident scientist about her entire athletic journey. It starts with a 4-year-old leaping off the car roof into her dad's arms and runs through Level 10, Yale gymnastics, and her current life balancing a PhD and her young family. We get into the gymnastics lesson that set her up for science, the identity crisis, and raising kids without "manufacturing the struggle." She throws some reluctant love to THE NARP in her life as well… 

*Content warning: this episode includes discussion of depression, anxiety, and eating disorders.*

Chapters:

00:23 — Intro: Interviewing Our Co-Host

01:20 — Immigrant Family Roots & Moving to Nashville

02:47 — How Gymnastics Became a Family Sport

05:06 — Olympic Dreams at Age 7

06:43 — Moving for the Sport & 40-Hour Training Weeks

09:58 — Mom the Hype Woman, Dad the Hardest Worker in the Room

14:36 — Learning How to Fall: Gymnastics → Science

18:09 — Recruitment, Injuries, & Choosing Yale

24:21 — "Yale Rocked Me"

31:50 — The Last Day & The Identity Crisis

35:19 — Med School vs. Falling in Love With Research

40:29 — Ed, the NARP Husband

43:30 — Parenting & How Hard to Push

46:08 — A Message From Coach Kwon

TW: This episode discusses depression, disordered eating, and substance use in the context of retired athletes. Take care of yourself, and reach out for support if you need it.

Izzy and Mia go back in time to unpack the identity crisis that hits almost every athlete after their sport ends: the withdrawal, the depression, the "who am I now" spiral nobody talks about. Mia brings the peer-reviewed data. This one gets personal, informative, and ends with our classic chaos. ENJOY. 

Chapters:

00:23 — Intro

02:16 — Types of Retirement + Rebuilding Your Identity After Sport

03:28 — Izzy's COVID-Forced Retirement

06:21 — The Science: What Forced Retirement Does to Athletes' Mental Health

07:45 — Mia's Retirement Depression

08:52 — Chasing the High: Dopamine + Epigenetics 

14:19 — Shoving It Down: Izzy's Retirement 

17:16 — The Stats: Depression Rates in Retired NFL, NBA & Soccer Players

19:02 — Speaking To Young Mia, Young Izzy, and Anyone Else Facing Sports Retirement 

21:48 — Mia's 100-Routines-in-a-Row

27:00 — FULL Tangent: Retinol + the Collagen Meta-Analysis Redux

32:03 — Izzy Gaming the Baseline Test

34:47 — Mia's Plantar Fasciitis

37:30 — Reclaiming the Toxicity

40:20 — Team Accountability

Sources:

Dopamine genetics & epigenetics

• Humińska-Lisowska, K., et al. (2023). Epigenetic Analysis of the Dopamine Transporter Gene DAT1 with a Focus on Personality Traits in Athletes. Int J Mol Sci. DOI: 10.3390/ijms24108931
• Michałowska-Sawczyn, M., et al. (2024). Association Analysis of the Dopaminergic Receptor 2 Gene Tag1B rs1079597 and Personality Traits Among a Cohort of Professional Athletes. Biol Sport. DOI: 10.5114/biolsport.2025.139470

Dopamine & training intensity

• Boecker, H., et al. (2024). Fractional Amplitude of Low-Frequency Fluctuations Associated with Endocannabinoid, µ-Opioid and Dopamine Receptor Distributions after High-Intensity Exercise Bouts. Front Neuroimaging. DOI: 10.3389/fnimg.2024.1332384

Dopamine & burnout/stress

• Cai, C., et al. (2025). From adversity to adaptation: the struggle between resilience and athlete burnout in stressful situations. Front Psychol. DOI: 10.3389/fpsyg.2025.1578198
• Baik, J-H. (2020). Stress and the dopaminergic reward system. Exp Mol Med. DOI: 10.1038/s12276-020-00532-4

Retirement & identity transition

• Mannes, Z-L., et al. (2018). Prevalence and Correlates of Psychological Distress among Retired Elite Athletes: A Systematic Review. PMC.
• Voorheis, P., et al. (2023). Adaptation to life after sport for retired athletes: A scoping review of existing reviews and programs. PLOS ONE. DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0291683

Collagen

• Myung, S-K., & Park, Y. (2025). Effects of Collagen Supplements on Skin Aging: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials. Am J Med. DOI: 10.1016/j.amjmed.2025.04.034
• Smith, L., et al. (2026). Collagen Supplementation for Skin and Musculoskeletal Health: An Umbrella Review of Meta-Analyses on Elasticity, Hydration, and Structural Outcomes. Aesthet Surg J Open Forum. DOI: 10.1093/asjof/ojag018

A note on the research: the genetics/epigenetics studies show correlation, not causation, and the training-intensity study isn't a controlled experiment. The collagen debate hinges on how Myung & Park grouped trials by industry funding, which GROW (Gelatin Manufacturers of the World) and Collagen Stewardship Alliance dispute. We're sharing what the data shows, not overstating it.

It's Izzy's 27th birthday, so we're flipping the format: Mia sits down to interrogate our fearless leader on her entire athletic journey. From an anxious 8-year-old hiding in a bathroom stall at tryouts to a D1 career at Hawaii cut short by COVID.. We cover everything she's carried from soccer into this phase of life… Some love from Patty (Izzy’s mom) included!

Chapters:

00:24 — Intro: Celebrating Izzy's 27th 

02:03 — Deutsch Family Sports Culture

04:03 — The Bathroom-Hiding Tryout Story

06:04 — Perfectionism and The Pressure to Be Good at Everything

09:32 — Training Schedule Breakdown +Her Unicorn Club Team

13:46 — Private Training and Izzy’s Forever Intensity 

18:20 — Recruitment & Choosing Hawaii

20:26 — Breakout Junior Year & COVID

22:00 — The Identity Crisis 

26:23 — Channeling Intensity Into Work

29:24 — Why Harsh Feedback Still Works

35:21 — Finding Passion in Entrepreneurship

36:32 — Making Peace With the Journey

Hold on, team, because this one is a bit of a wild ride. Join Izzy and Mia for their FIRST EVER in-person Head-to-Head..recapping a weekend of World Cup finals, a full sardine obsession arc, a Flo Rida–DJ Khaled fever dream, and one very Not So Washed Up wedding. P.S. Mia is starting a running journey. WATCH THIS SPACE. 

Chapters

00:23 — Intro

01:30 — Izzy's NYC Moving Saga 

03:32 — World Cup Fever

04:37 — Weekend Recap Kicks Off

05:34 — Sardines…

12:52 — Izzy’s Saturday Night

20:38 — The Great Sweat Debate

22:46 —The Legendary "PRP"

24:17 — Mia Thinks She’s A Matchmaker

25:54 — YGT + LMNT + Tequila = Perfection

27:17 — Mia’s New Running Era

29:08 — Soccer vs. Gymnastics: Fast-Twitch vs. Endurance

30:56 — Episode Recap

Izzy (former D1 soccer player) and Mia (former gymnast) launch Not So Washed Up, a show for former athletes navigating life, identity, and detecting wellness BS after sport. In this debut episode, they share how they met, the injuries that bonded them, and what's coming next.

Chapters

00:00 — Cold Open/Clap-sync chaos

00:27 — Introducing Not So Washed Up

01:04 — AARMY Photoshoot Origin Story (how Izzy and Mia met)

03:35 — The Injuries That Brought Them Together

06:16 — Life After Sport & NARPs

08:26 — The Show's Real Mission

14:41 — What Izzy & Mia Do Now

18:24 — Cutting through marketing vs. real science (peptides, wellness trends)

19:36 — What's Coming (starring special guest, Howie).

25:46 — A beloved NARP's first workout

27:55 — Closing & Sign-Off