<![CDATA[Spirituality in Leadership]]>Spirituality in Leadership features a broad variety of leaders in profound, one-on-one conversations with host Andrew Cohn. Andrew and his guests explore how to bring spiritual dimensions to teams and workplaces, in service of creating more fulfillment, greater success and healthier organizations. Spiritual dimensions may or may not encompass religion, and broadly include one's deepest values, an awareness of the unseen yet certainly felt realms which exist beyond the tangible. This podcast investigates how we can engage these more profound realms and aspects of ourselves in our workplaces, and how we can incorporate the qualities of presence, acceptance, love, forgiveness, and peace in those spaces, because such qualities are needed in the workplace now more than ever before. Therefore, Spirituality in Leadership aspires to “de-dogmatize" and normalize the topic of spirituality, and to elevate its impact on people in the workplace. In each episode, Andrew gathers practical advice from the unique perspectives of his guests on the benefits of practical spirituality in their leadership. He explores how these leaders/teachers combine their own personal practices, development and spirituality to grow and to create better work cultures. 

Andrew Cohn is the founder and president of Lighthouse Consulting LLC. Andrew is a counselor, executive coach and consultant who drives results through improved individual and team performance. A former attorney, his work helps leaders think more strategically, communicate more clearly and effectively, make better decisions, and lead from their values and personal purpose. Over the course of his career, Andrew has been an indispensable resource for leaders in the corporate world. He understands the drive many of us have to reach out and help people fully express themselves in the workplace; his mission involves supporting leaders who want to use their influence to make the world a better place. 

The Spirituality in Leadership podcast not only provides access to Andrew’s 25+ years of experience as a counselor and advisor to leaders in a wide variety of business areas, and draws from his extensive educational background in international business, law, and spiritual psychology, but also it brings us each different guest's personal experience and wisdom. These healthy and authentic conversations inspire, encourage and challenge us to do our best work and they provide practical support for stronger leadership and more cohesive teams. 


]]>https://spiritualityinleadership.com/Riverside.fm (https://riverside.com)Sat, 16 May 2026 20:17:44 GMTMon, 04 May 2026 16:03:12 GMT60Andrew Cohn<blockquote><em>Spirituality in Leadership</em> features a broad variety of leaders in profound, one-on-one conversations with host Andrew Cohn. Andrew and his guests explore how to bring spiritual dimensions to teams and workplaces, in service of creating more fulfillment, greater success and healthier organizations. Spiritual dimensions may or may not encompass religion, and broadly include one's deepest values, an awareness of the unseen yet certainly felt realms which exist beyond the tangible. This podcast investigates how we can engage these more profound realms and aspects of ourselves in our workplaces, and how we can incorporate the qualities of presence, acceptance, love, forgiveness, and peace in those spaces, because such qualities are needed in the workplace now more than ever before. Therefore,<em> Spirituality in Leadership</em> aspires to “de-dogmatize" and normalize the topic of spirituality, and to elevate its impact on people in the workplace. In each episode, Andrew gathers practical advice from the unique perspectives of his guests on the benefits of practical spirituality in their leadership. He explores how these leaders/teachers combine their own personal practices, development and spirituality to grow and to create better work cultures. </blockquote><blockquote><br /></blockquote><blockquote><span>Andrew Cohn is the founder and president of Lighthouse Consulting LLC. Andrew is a counselor, executive coach and consultant who drives results through improved individual and team performance. A former attorney, his work helps leaders think more strategically, communicate more clearly and effectively, make better decisions, and lead from their values and personal purpose. Over the course of his career, Andrew has been an indispensable resource for leaders in the corporate world. He understands the drive many of us have to reach out and help people fully express themselves in the workplace; his mission involves supporting leaders who want to use their influence to make the world a better place. </span></blockquote><blockquote><br /></blockquote><blockquote>The <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em> podcast not only provides access to Andrew’s 25+ years of experience as a counselor and advisor to leaders in a wide variety of business areas, and draws from his extensive educational background in international business, law, and spiritual psychology, but also it brings us each different guest's personal experience and wisdom. These healthy and authentic conversations inspire, encourage and challenge us to do our best work and they provide practical support for stronger leadership and more cohesive teams. </blockquote><p><br /></p>episodicAndrew Cohnandrew@lighthouseteams.comno<![CDATA[How to Be Human at Work: Embracing Wholeness in Leadership, with Allison Schultz]]>In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Allison Schultz, coach, writer, and co-founder of Reboot—to explore a deeper, more human-centered approach to leadership.


At Reboot, coaching goes beyond developing managerial skills. It’s about transformation—helping leaders access their full humanity through radical self-inquiry, embodied presence, and spiritual integration.


Drawing from her rich background, including a master’s in Religious Studies, a lifelong bond with horses, and her new book The Art of Being Human at Work,  Ali shares candid stories and powerful insights. She speaks openly about how childhood emotional invisibility and early discomfort with corporate norms shaped her path. Her connection with horses, which she describes as a sacred devotional practice, has deeply informed her understanding of relational intelligence and inner work.


Together, Andrew and Ali explore how spirituality, shadow work, and embodiment can shift the very foundation of how we lead and show up in the workplace.


Key Takeaways

  • The connection between early family dynamics and later leadership patterns

  • Why Religious Studies offers a surprisingly practical lens for coaching

  • How horses taught Ali the power of presence, embodiment, and devotion

  • The sacred importance of shadow work in leadership development

  • Why “making peace with your shadows” is foundational to authentic leadership

  • How The Art of Being Human at Work bridges spiritual depth with professional growth

  • The impact of edited spiritual traditions—and what was left out

  • How journaling and reflection support sustained leadership growth

  • Leadership as a relational and inner-development practice—not performance


In This Episode:

  • [00:00] Opening reflections on coaching and religious studies

  • [01:05] Meet Ali Schultz: co-founder of Reboot and horsewoman-philosopher

  • [03:48] Her early tension with work and the seeds of integration

  • [07:53] The practicality of a Religious Studies degree for coaching

  • [11:20] Horses and embodiment: a devotional relationship

  • [15:25] Growing up emotionally unseen—and being witnessed by animals

  • [18:45] Do coaches talk enough about religion and meaning?

  • [22:23] Turning blog essays into a leadership wisdom book

  • [24:37] Parker Palmer quote + spiritual wisdom in the workplace

  • [26:52] How to use the book + journaling for integration

  • [28:44] Reboot's approach to coaching and shadow work

  • [33:55] The sacred act of holding space as a coach

  • [36:59] Where to learn more: Reboot.io and beyond 


Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast


Allison Schultz

  • Website:

             https://www.reboot.io/

  • Book: 

            The Art of Being Human at Work


Andrew Cohn


Music: 
Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

]]>https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/How-to-Be-Human-at-Work-Embracing-Wholeness-in-Leadership--with-Allison-Schultz-e3364c7da08ff05-ac33-4e63-86a4-dfbaa5f4ec8fWed, 30 Apr 2025 00:52:00 GMT<p>In this episode of <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em>, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Allison Schultz, coach, writer, and co-founder of Reboot—to explore a deeper, more human-centered approach to leadership.</p><p><br /></p><p>At Reboot, coaching goes beyond developing managerial skills. It’s about transformation—helping leaders access their full humanity through radical self-inquiry, embodied presence, and spiritual integration.</p><p><br /></p><p>Drawing from her rich background, including a master’s in Religious Studies, a lifelong bond with horses, and her new book <em>The Art of Being Human at Work, </em> <strong>Ali</strong> shares candid stories and powerful insights. She speaks openly about how childhood emotional invisibility and early discomfort with corporate norms shaped her path. Her connection with horses, which she describes as a sacred devotional practice, has deeply informed her understanding of relational intelligence and inner work.</p><p><br /></p><p>Together, Andrew and Ali explore how spirituality, shadow work, and embodiment can shift the very foundation of how we lead and show up in the workplace.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Key Takeaways</strong></p><ul><li><p>The connection between early family dynamics and later leadership patterns</p></li><li><p>Why Religious Studies offers a surprisingly practical lens for coaching</p></li><li><p>How horses taught Ali the power of presence, embodiment, and devotion</p></li><li><p>The sacred importance of shadow work in leadership development</p></li><li><p>Why “making peace with your shadows” is foundational to authentic leadership</p></li><li><p>How The Art of Being Human at Work bridges spiritual depth with professional growth</p></li><li><p>The impact of edited spiritual traditions—and what was left out</p></li><li><p>How journaling and reflection support sustained leadership growth</p></li><li><p>Leadership as a relational and inner-development practice—not performance</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:00] Opening reflections on coaching and religious studies</p></li><li><p>[01:05] Meet Ali Schultz: co-founder of Reboot and horsewoman-philosopher</p></li><li><p>[03:48] Her early tension with work and the seeds of integration</p></li><li><p>[07:53] The practicality of a Religious Studies degree for coaching</p></li><li><p>[11:20] Horses and embodiment: a devotional relationship</p></li><li><p>[15:25] Growing up emotionally unseen—and being witnessed by animals</p></li><li><p>[18:45] Do coaches talk enough about religion and meaning?</p></li><li><p>[22:23] Turning blog essays into a leadership wisdom book</p></li><li><p>[24:37] Parker Palmer quote + spiritual wisdom in the workplace</p></li><li><p>[26:52] How to use the book + journaling for integration</p></li><li><p>[28:44] Reboot's approach to coaching and shadow work</p></li><li><p>[33:55] The sacred act of holding space as a coach</p></li><li><p>[36:59] Where to learn more: Reboot.io and beyond </p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Allison Schultz</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website:</p></li></ul><p>             <a href="https://www.reboot.io/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.reboot.io/</a></p><ul><li><p>Book: </p></li></ul><p>            <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Art-Being-Human-Work-Meditations-ebook/dp/B0D8PTGXCV" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em>The Art of Being Human at Work</em></a></p><ul><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/alschultz?utm_source=share&amp;utm_campaign=share_via&amp;utm_content=profile&amp;utm_medium=android_app" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/alschultz</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong><br />Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a><br /></p> no00:38:45How to Be Human at Work: Embracing Wholeness in Leadership, with Allison Schultzfull<![CDATA[Allowing Ourselves to be Transparent to What’s Most True for Us, with Tom Hurley]]>In this episode of the podcast, Andrew speaks with his colleague, friend, and mentor Tom Hurley, a very experienced leadership development consultant, about how we can be transparent to what's most true for us as they explore the connection between spirituality and leadership, a topic Tom has been exploring for decades. Tom talks about his personal experience through a variety of dimensions, about how he defines spirituality, and about the importance of focusing on how we connect with our guidance. Tom says the most important invitation is for us to explore what is most deeply true for us and how this inquiry is fundamentally mysterious. This conversation is laced with wisdom and inspiration and invites us to consider how we can live lives that are more fulfilled and have a more positive impact on the world, even if we are operating in a challenging business paradigm that might sometimes make us confront our deepest personal values.

]]>https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Allowing-Ourselves-to-be-Transparent-to-Whats-Most-True-for-Us--with-Tom-Hurley-e2svkpe8fCB57jLwWed, 30 Oct 2024 10:00:00 GMT<p><span>In this episode of the podcast, Andrew speaks with his colleague, friend, and mentor </span><a href="https://tomandsarahurley.com/the-hurley-center/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Tom Hurley</a><span>, a very experienced leadership development consultant, about how we can be transparent to what's most true for us as they explore the connection between spirituality and leadership, a topic Tom has been exploring for decades. Tom talks about his personal experience through a variety of dimensions, about how he defines spirituality, and about the importance of focusing on how we connect with our guidance. Tom says the most important invitation is for us to explore what is most deeply true for us and how this inquiry is fundamentally mysterious. This conversation is laced with wisdom and inspiration and invites us to consider how we can live lives that are more fulfilled and have a more positive impact on the world, even if we are operating in a challenging business paradigm that might sometimes make us confront our deepest personal values.</span></p> no00:51:13Allowing Ourselves to be Transparent to What’s Most True for Us, with Tom Hurleyfull<![CDATA[The Meaning and Impact of Purpose, with Aaron Hurst]]>In this episode of the podcast, Andrew speaks with Aaron Hurst, author of the prominent book, The Purpose Economy, (2014). Aaron is a researcher, author, and social entrepreneur who is dedicated to driving positive societal change. He talks about his research, defining, cultivating, and leveraging purpose. Importantly, Aaron shares the four myths of purpose, as well as the importance of recognizing the diversity of purpose on any team. He also talks about the impact of a purpose mindset in the workplace, as opposed to a transactional mindset. This is a very practical and inviting conversation about what purpose really is, why it matters, and what steps leaders can take to cultivate it.

]]>https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/The-Meaning-and-Impact-of-Purpose--with-Aaron-Hurst-e2svkpd6H7JMMGwdWed, 28 Aug 2024 10:00:00 GMT<p>In this episode of the podcast, Andrew speaks with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronhurst/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Aaron Hurst</a>, author of the prominent book,<em> </em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Purpose-Economy-Personal-Community-Changing/dp/1091930902/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em>The Purpose Economy</em></a>, (2014). Aaron is a researcher, author, and social entrepreneur who is dedicated to driving positive societal change. He talks about his research, defining, cultivating, and leveraging purpose. Importantly, Aaron shares the four myths of purpose, as well as the importance of recognizing the diversity of purpose on any team. He also talks about the impact of a purpose mindset in the workplace, as opposed to a transactional mindset. This is a very practical and inviting conversation about what purpose really is, why it matters, and what steps leaders can take to cultivate it.</p> no00:46:09The Meaning and Impact of Purpose, with Aaron Hurstfull<![CDATA[Spirituality as a Component to Intersectionality and Doing Good in the World, with Zhou Fang]]>Zhou Fang is a diversity, equity and inclusion practitioner in the Pacific Northwest who uses her multicultural and multilingual background to support her clients. She comes from a very different background than our other podcast guests, and she talks very practically about what spirituality means for her, and how she uses it to support her when things feel hard and dark. As she says, her spirituality supports her in demonstrating compassion. In very practical language, she says we practice leadership because we want to do good in the world and spirituality can help with that. At the end of the day, leadership is about the heart, and her spirituality supports her in reconnecting with her heart to be more effective in working with others.

]]>https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Spirituality-as-a-Component-to-Intersectionality-and-Doing-Good-in-the-World--with-Zhou-Fang-e2svkp5a7_3SopfWWed, 14 Aug 2024 10:00:00 GMT<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/zhoufang35/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Zhou Fang</a> is a diversity, equity and inclusion practitioner in the Pacific Northwest who uses her multicultural and multilingual background to support her clients. She comes from a very different background than our other podcast guests, and she talks very practically about what spirituality means for her, and how she uses it to support her when things feel hard and dark. As she says, her spirituality supports her in demonstrating compassion. In very practical language, she says we practice leadership because we want to do good in the world and spirituality can help with that. At the end of the day, leadership is about the heart, and her spirituality supports her in reconnecting with her heart to be more effective in working with others.</p> no00:32:45Spirituality as a Component to Intersectionality and Doing Good in the World, with Zhou Fangfull<![CDATA[Spirituality In Leadership Trailer]]>You are listening to Spirituality In Leadership Podcast. Join Andrew Cohn in exploring different ways leaders can leverage their spiritual dimensions for the benefit of others. Each episode focuses on the thread that connects spirituality and leadership, providing you with the roadmap to become more fulfilled and effective in all roles of your life. Prepare to dive into these insightful discussions that will guide you on embracing servant leadership, understanding your purpose in life, and tapping into your core dimensions.

]]>https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Spirituality-In-Leadership-Trailer-e2svkp4sDFYyUZzDMon, 23 Oct 2023 15:17:00 GMT<p>You are listening to Spirituality In Leadership Podcast. Join Andrew Cohn in exploring different ways leaders can leverage their spiritual dimensions for the benefit of others. Each episode focuses on the thread that connects spirituality and leadership, providing you with the roadmap to become more fulfilled and effective in all roles of your life. Prepare to dive into these insightful discussions that will guide you on embracing servant leadership, understanding your purpose in life, and tapping into your core dimensions.</p> no00:20:25Spirituality In Leadership Trailerfull<![CDATA[The Tenets of Yoga as Leadership Practices, with Chetan Roy]]>In this episode of the podcast, Andrew talks with Chetan Roy, who has held various positions in IT leadership in the banking sector in India, after working for many years outside India. Chetan shares some of his personal stories, including the experience of landing on a challenging first day in the US when he went abroad for the first time to attend university in New York. Chetan has deep knowledge of Hinduism, yoga, and other traditions and practices, and he shares some of his wisdom and experience about the connection between yoga practices and business leadership practices. He has a way of gently and practically distilling wisdom which comes through clearly as he shares his experience. This is a conversation across continents, cultures, and religions—and reinforces the universality of connection and personal values in leadership.

]]>https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/The-Tenets-of-Yoga-as-Leadership-Practices--with-Chetan-Roy-e2svkpa4h8Ur-TeEWed, 02 Oct 2024 10:00:00 GMT<p>In this episode of the podcast, Andrew talks with <a href="https://in.linkedin.com/in/chetanroy" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Chetan Roy</a>, who has held various positions in IT leadership in the banking sector in India, after working for many years outside India. Chetan shares some of his personal stories, including the experience of landing on a challenging first day in the US when he went abroad for the first time to attend university in New York. Chetan has deep knowledge of Hinduism, yoga, and other traditions and practices, and he shares some of his wisdom and experience about the connection between yoga practices and business leadership practices. He has a way of gently and practically distilling wisdom which comes through clearly as he shares his experience. This is a conversation across continents, cultures, and religions—and reinforces the universality of connection and personal values in leadership.</p> no00:33:27The Tenets of Yoga as Leadership Practices, with Chetan Royfull<![CDATA[Applying a Spiritual Framework in International Development, with Barney Singer]]>In this episode of the podcast, Andrew speaks with Barney Singer, a social change leader with many decades of multidisciplinary experience in social development—in both the public and private sectors. Barney talks about his work, particularly in Sub-Saharan Africa, and how he brings a spiritual framework to his program, design, and delivery, as well as in his supervision of others. He shares a number of examples of the impact of his work and the impact of his belief system and approach on those whom his programs serve. Barney shares his wisdom very comfortably with the voice of both an expert and a “lifelong seeker."

]]>https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Applying-a-Spiritual-Framework-in-International-Development--with-Barney-Singer-e2svkpkHDs_vXvnjWed, 18 Sep 2024 10:00:00 GMT<p>In this episode of the podcast, Andrew speaks with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/barney-singer-edd-jd-631a348/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Barney Singer</a>, a social change leader with many decades of multidisciplinary experience in social development—in both the public and private sectors. Barney talks about his work, particularly in Sub-Saharan Africa, and how he brings a spiritual framework to his program, design, and delivery, as well as in his supervision of others. He shares a number of examples of the impact of his work and the impact of his belief system and approach on those whom his programs serve. Barney shares his wisdom very comfortably with the voice of both an expert and a “lifelong seeker."</p> no00:48:11Applying a Spiritual Framework in International Development, with Barney Singerfull<![CDATA[The Spiritual Skills Every Leader Needs: Presence, Purpose, and Compassion, with William Miller]]>What’s the right way to bring spirituality into workplace conversations when everyone comes from different cultures and comfort levels? Is culture really the problem, or is it more about our ability to adapt and communicate in ways people can genuinely receive? And what about leaders who make tough decisions from a spiritual place, like keeping a 50-year-old who may never find another job while letting go of younger employees who can recover quickly–and even supporting them in finding new roles?

In this episode, Andrew Cohn speaks with William Miller, co-founder of Values Centered Innovation and long-time explorer of the intersection between spirituality, creativity, and corporate leadership. Miller traces his journey back to a pivotal moment in the 1980s when mystical literature unexpectedly illuminated his work in innovation. That spark, he explains, revealed spirituality, business, and creativity as “facets of a single jewel,” a realization that has guided his work for four decades. He describes how ancient wisdom traditions, including the Bhagavad Gita, informed research on what energizes innovation, revealing three universal motivators: intention, connection, and action. These insights helped Miller develop practical models, such as his “creative journey” process, that cultivate psychological safety, courage, and authentic human connection within organizations.

The conversation also explores cultural nuances in discussing spirituality at work, stories of leaders who ground tough decisions in compassion, and the shift from profit-first business models toward purpose-driven ones. Miller introduces his current project, Reclaiming the Soul of Leadership, a program that helps leaders explore their spiritual foundations, express them through values-based leadership, and foster communities rooted in wisdom and love.


Key Takeaways

  • Spirituality, innovation, and leadership are deeply interconnected.

  • Psychological safety grows when individuals feel seen and valued beyond their roles.

  • Cultural context shapes how spiritual conversations can be introduced.

  • Compassionate leadership fosters trust and can drive organizational transformation.

  • Business is shifting from shareholder value to a broader focus on stakeholder wellbeing.

  • Spiritual leadership comes from responding with calm rather than reacting from fear.

  • True leadership development begins with inner exploration and reconnecting with the soul.


In This Episode:

  • [01:26] Introduction to William Miller

  • [03:43] William Miller's journey

  • [04:55] The intersection of spirituality and business

  • [09:03] Implementing spirituality in corporate work

  • [18:56] Cultural perspectives on spiritual conversations

  • [19:07] Spiritual conversations being easier in some cultures compared to others

  • [20:15] Telling the story and the  think, act, innovation process

  • [25:27] The control game and spiritual deficits

  • [26:00] The notion of unconditional love in Christian tradition

  • [27:13] Spirituality’s role in leadership behavior

  • [27:48] Research on spirituality among executives

  • [28:30] Case study: Lars Colon's turnaround at Oticon

  • [32:47] Purpose of business: from shareholder wealth to stakeholder wellbeing

  • [35:38] Making a clear distinction between spirituality and religion

  • [38:09] Reclaiming the soul of leadership

  • [43:55] The spiritual path in leadership


Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast


William Miller


Andrew Cohn


Music: 


]]>https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/The-Spiritual-Skills-Every-Leader-Needs-Presence--Purpose--and-Compassion--with-William-Miller-e3cogj10f8a49c8-277d-4959-a898-0387d6605f3eTue, 16 Dec 2025 20:04:00 GMT<p>What’s the right way to bring spirituality into workplace conversations when everyone comes from different cultures and comfort levels? Is culture really the problem, or is it more about our ability to adapt and communicate in ways people can genuinely receive? And what about leaders who make tough decisions from a spiritual place, like keeping a 50-year-old who may never find another job while letting go of younger employees who can recover quickly–and even supporting them in finding new roles?</p><p>In this episode, Andrew Cohn speaks with William Miller, co-founder of Values Centered Innovation and long-time explorer of the intersection between spirituality, creativity, and corporate leadership. Miller traces his journey back to a pivotal moment in the 1980s when mystical literature unexpectedly illuminated his work in innovation. That spark, he explains, revealed spirituality, business, and creativity as “facets of a single jewel,” a realization that has guided his work for four decades. He describes how ancient wisdom traditions, including the Bhagavad Gita, informed research on what energizes innovation, revealing three universal motivators: intention, connection, and action. These insights helped Miller develop practical models, such as his “creative journey” process, that cultivate psychological safety, courage, and authentic human connection within organizations.</p><p>The conversation also explores cultural nuances in discussing spirituality at work, stories of leaders who ground tough decisions in compassion, and the shift from profit-first business models toward purpose-driven ones. Miller introduces his current project,<em> Reclaiming the Soul of Leadership</em>, a program that helps leaders explore their spiritual foundations, express them through values-based leadership, and foster communities rooted in wisdom and love. </p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Spirituality, innovation, and leadership are deeply interconnected.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Psychological safety grows when individuals feel seen and valued beyond their roles.</p></li><li><p>Cultural context shapes how spiritual conversations can be introduced.</p></li><li><p>Compassionate leadership fosters trust and can drive organizational transformation.</p></li><li><p>Business is shifting from shareholder value to a broader focus on stakeholder wellbeing.</p></li><li><p>Spiritual leadership comes from responding with calm rather than reacting from fear.</p></li><li><p>True leadership development begins with inner exploration and reconnecting with the soul.</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[01:26] Introduction to William Miller</p></li><li><p>[03:43] William Miller's journey</p></li><li><p>[04:55] The intersection of spirituality and business</p></li><li><p>[09:03] Implementing spirituality in corporate work</p></li><li><p>[18:56] Cultural perspectives on spiritual conversations</p></li><li><p>[19:07] Spiritual conversations being easier in some cultures compared to others</p></li><li><p>[20:15] Telling the story and the  think, act, innovation process</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>[25:27] The control game and spiritual deficits</p></li><li><p>[26:00] The notion of unconditional love in Christian tradition</p></li><li><p>[27:13] Spirituality’s role in leadership behavior</p></li><li><p>[27:48] Research on spirituality among executives</p></li><li><p>[28:30] Case study: Lars Colon's turnaround at Oticon</p></li><li><p>[32:47] Purpose of business: from shareholder wealth to stakeholder wellbeing</p></li><li><p>[35:38] Making a clear distinction between spirituality and religion</p></li><li><p>[38:09] Reclaiming the soul of leadership</p></li><li><p>[43:55] The spiritual path in leadership</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>William Miller</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://consciousleadershipacademy.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://consciousleadershipacademy.org/</a> / <a href="https://vci.global/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em>https://vci.global</em></a></p></li><li><p>The Guild website:<a href="https://clgleaders.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://clgleaders.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/williamcmillervci" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/williamcmillervci</a></p></li><li><p>Book:<em> </em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Art-Spiritual-Leadership-Business/dp/B00008R3BR" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em>The Art of Spiritual Leadership in Business</em></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p> no00:45:50The Spiritual Skills Every Leader Needs: Presence, Purpose, and Compassion, with William Millerfull<![CDATA[Love as the Foundation: Bringing Heartset Education to Classrooms and Leadership, with Stu Semigran]]>Imagine a young boy with cerebral palsy, limping into summer camp, quietly asking a teenage counselor to teach him how to tie his shoes, not because he couldn’t learn, but because he craved twenty minutes of undivided, caring attention from an adult who truly saw him. That small act of vulnerability sparked a lifelong mission for Stu Semigran, co-founder of the EduCare Foundation, to create spaces where every child, and every person, feels honored, valued, and capable of extraordinary growth.

In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn reconnects with Stu Semigran to explore how love, compassion, and practical “Heartset®” principles can transform education, organizations, and leadership itself. Over 35 years, EduCare has reached hundreds of thousands of students, especially in underserved communities, proving that when cultures of kindness, listening, and forgiveness flourish, both academic results and personal fulfillment thrive.

Stu shares his journey from a rebellious young teacher to nonprofit leader, illustrating how seeing the best in others, even when they cannot see it themselves, creates the Pygmalion Effect in real time. The conversation explores the eight Heartset skills: honoring, praising, heart-centered listening, choice, forgiveness, conflict resolution, turning challenges into opportunities, and service, showing how these timeless practices bridge spirituality and high-accountability environments naturally and effectively.

This episode offers educators, leaders, and anyone seeking more heart in high-stakes settings both inspiration and actionable wisdom.


Key Takeaways

  • Authentic care and kindness create environments where learning thrives; people respond deeply when they feel seen and valued.

  • Shift from cognitive growth to a "growth heartset" through eight skills: honoring, praising/encouraging, listening from the heart, power of choice, forgiveness, resolving conflict, using challenges as opportunities, and giving/receiving service.

  • Believing in others’ potential helps them rise, shown by gains in test scores and graduations.

  • Letting go of judgments frees energy for growth; it’s not excusing harm but releasing its lasting poison.

  • Honest feedback, celebrating wins, and building trust turn organizations into learning cultures.

  • Nurturing heart-centered skills helps youth grow into compassionate, courageous leaders, creating lasting hope and impact.


In This Episode:

  • [00:00] Introduction

  • [01:36] Meet Stu Semigran, co-founder of the Educare Foundation

  • [03:40] Stu’s story and his connection to spirituality in leadership

  • [05:58] Growth and impact of Educare Foundation

  • [06:31] Philosophy of education: curiosity and individuality

  • [07:37] Serving underserved students and changing perceptions

  • [09:57] Building a culture of caring and kindness in classrooms

  • [12:03] Leadership in education and organizations

  • [13:15] Being vs. doing in leadership

  • [15:18] Stu’s spiritual framework and the principles that inform his work

  • [23:30] The power of vulnerability and asking for help

  • [25:26] Letting go and empowering others

  • [27:19] The intersection of love and accountability in education leadership

  • [29:52] Celebrating success and positive feedback

  • [35:14] Defining forgiveness and letting go of judgments

  • [37:21] Conflict resolution and the four truths

  • [38:08] Service, giving, and the cycle of heart set skills

  • [41:18] Youth leadership and service in action

  • [43:28] Stu’s contact information



Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast


Stu Semigran


Andrew Cohn


Music: 



]]>https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Love-as-the-Foundation-Bringing-Heartset-Education-to-Classrooms-and-Leadership--with-Stu-Semigran-e3f6ubq40c7ccee-e9bf-493e-9f24-d13044959df7Wed, 18 Feb 2026 07:21:00 GMT<p>Imagine a young boy with cerebral palsy, limping into summer camp, quietly asking a teenage counselor to teach him how to tie his shoes, not because he couldn’t learn, but because he craved twenty minutes of undivided, caring attention from an adult who truly saw him. That small act of vulnerability sparked a lifelong mission for Stu Semigran, co-founder of the EduCare Foundation, to create spaces where every child, and every person, feels honored, valued, and capable of extraordinary growth.</p><p>In this episode of <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em>, host Andrew Cohn reconnects with Stu Semigran to explore how love, compassion, and practical “Heartset®” principles can transform education, organizations, and leadership itself. Over 35 years, EduCare has reached hundreds of thousands of students, especially in underserved communities, proving that when cultures of kindness, listening, and forgiveness flourish, both academic results and personal fulfillment thrive.</p><p>Stu shares his journey from a rebellious young teacher to nonprofit leader, illustrating how seeing the best in others, even when they cannot see it themselves, creates the Pygmalion Effect in real time. The conversation explores the eight Heartset skills: honoring, praising, heart-centered listening, choice, forgiveness, conflict resolution, turning challenges into opportunities, and service, showing how these timeless practices bridge spirituality and high-accountability environments naturally and effectively.</p><p>This episode offers educators, leaders, and anyone seeking more heart in high-stakes settings both inspiration and actionable wisdom.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Authentic care and kindness create environments where learning thrives; people respond deeply when they feel seen and valued.</p></li><li><p>Shift from cognitive growth to a "growth heartset" through eight skills: honoring, praising/encouraging, listening from the heart, power of choice, forgiveness, resolving conflict, using challenges as opportunities, and giving/receiving service.</p></li><li><p>Believing in others’ potential helps them rise, shown by gains in test scores and graduations.</p></li><li><p>Letting go of judgments frees energy for growth; it’s not excusing harm but releasing its lasting poison.</p></li><li><p>Honest feedback, celebrating wins, and building trust turn organizations into learning cultures.</p></li><li><p>Nurturing heart-centered skills helps youth grow into compassionate, courageous leaders, creating lasting hope and impact.</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:00] Introduction</p></li><li><p>[01:36] Meet Stu Semigran, co-founder of the Educare Foundation</p></li><li><p>[03:40] Stu’s story and his connection to spirituality in leadership</p></li><li><p>[05:58] Growth and impact of Educare Foundation</p></li><li><p>[06:31] Philosophy of education: curiosity and individuality</p></li><li><p>[07:37] Serving underserved students and changing perceptions</p></li><li><p>[09:57] Building a culture of caring and kindness in classrooms</p></li><li><p>[12:03] Leadership in education and organizations</p></li><li><p>[13:15] Being vs. doing in leadership</p></li><li><p>[15:18] Stu’s spiritual framework and the principles that inform his work</p></li><li><p>[23:30] The power of vulnerability and asking for help</p></li><li><p>[25:26] Letting go and empowering others</p></li><li><p>[27:19] The intersection of love and accountability in education leadership</p></li><li><p>[29:52] Celebrating success and positive feedback</p></li><li><p>[35:14] Defining forgiveness and letting go of judgments</p></li><li><p>[37:21] Conflict resolution and the four truths</p></li><li><p>[38:08] Service, giving, and the cycle of heart set skills</p></li><li><p>[41:18] Youth leadership and service in action</p></li><li><p>[43:28] Stu’s contact information </p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Stu Semigran</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Heartset-Education-Way-Living-Learning/dp/1735913030" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Heartset-Education-Way-Living-Learning/dp/1735913030</a></p></li><li><p><a href="http://www.educarefoundation.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">www.educarefoundation.com</a></p></li><li><p>www.<a href="https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">greatergood.berkeley.edu</a></p></li><li><p><a href="http://www.afterschoolalliance.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">www.afterschoolalliance.org</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><br /></p> no00:47:04Love as the Foundation: Bringing Heartset Education to Classrooms and Leadership, with Stu Semigranfull<![CDATA[Possibility To Reality: Spiritual Leadership In Human Services With David Swain]]>This fascinating conversation focuses on the deeper dimensions of providing services to people with intellectual disabilities. Andrew speaks with David Swain, the CEO of Endeavour Foundation, a provider of support services and employment to people living with disabilities in Queensland, Australia. David talks about caring in action, recognizing the inherent worth of the people being served, with a focus on making impact rather than making money. At the same time, David talks about the need to speak the language of business when running a large organization. He leads us into the intersection of purpose-driven action and leadership, the key things that allow him to create a greater impact organizationally and individually. David also talks about the need to focus on and measure the being level at work, not just the doing. He serves as a wonderful inspiration for those of us trying to make a greater impact with our work in the world.

]]>https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Possibility-To-Reality-Spiritual-Leadership-In-Human-Services-With-David-Swain-e2svkovSmGj91PjUThu, 25 Jan 2024 11:00:00 GMT<p><span>This fascinating conversation focuses on the deeper dimensions of providing services to people with intellectual disabilities. Andrew speaks with </span><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidpswain/?originalSubdomain=au" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">David Swain</a><span>, the CEO of </span><a href="https://www.endeavour.com.au/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Endeavour Foundation</a><span>, a provider of support services and employment to people living with disabilities in Queensland, Australia. David talks about caring in action, recognizing the inherent worth of the people being served, with a focus on making impact rather than making money. At the same time, David talks about the need to speak the language of business when running a large organization. He leads us into the intersection of purpose-driven action and leadership, the key things that allow him to create a greater impact organizationally and individually. David also talks about the need to focus on and measure the </span><strong><em>being</em></strong><span> level at work, not just the doing. He serves as a wonderful inspiration for those of us trying to make a greater impact with our work in the world.</span></p> no00:35:25Possibility To Reality: Spiritual Leadership In Human Services With David Swainfull<![CDATA[Kairos and the "Wake" of Leadership, with Karen and Matthew Fine]]>In this episode of the podcast, Andrew Cohn speaks with Karen and Matt Fine—business leaders, parents, and community contributors in Norfolk, Virginia. This is a conversation about simpler applications of spirituality in family and at work. Matt and Karen talk about their journeys, the impact of their personal spirituality in their household, and their work in the world. This broad conversation is full of wisdom and insight. The Fines are humble as they express their beliefs and their experience, however they offer a number of inspiring stories and invite us to use our experience and our inspiration to help us leave a positive “wake” as leaders in the world.

]]>https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Kairos-and-the-Wake-of-Leadership--with-Karen-and-Matthew-Fine-e2svkpjPAmQoxp7UWed, 16 Oct 2024 10:00:00 GMT<p>In this episode of the podcast, Andrew Cohn speaks with Karen and <a href="https://www.mattfineart.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Matt Fine</a>—business leaders, parents, and community contributors in Norfolk, Virginia. This is a conversation about simpler applications of spirituality in family and at work. Matt and Karen talk about their journeys, the impact of their personal spirituality in their household, and their work in the world. This broad conversation is full of wisdom and insight. The Fines are humble as they express their beliefs and their experience, however they offer a number of inspiring stories and invite us to use our experience and our inspiration to help us leave a positive “wake” as leaders in the world.</p> no00:55:11Kairos and the "Wake" of Leadership, with Karen and Matthew Finefull<![CDATA[Spirituality In The Workplace With Martin Rutte]]>We have been conditioned to think that spirituality is not something we could bring to work. It's something we leave at the door, never to be spoken about in the halls of business and professionalism. But as we'll see later, this is a huge missed opportunity for all stakeholders involved. In this episode, we are joined by Martin Rutte, a pioneer in the intersection of business and spirituality. Martin shares his journey into this transformative space, revealing a pivotal moment at an Indian monastery that sparked a realization about the absence of spirituality in his life. However, as Rutte navigated the resistance, he discovered that spirituality at work holds the potential to enhance authenticity, trust, and engagement. The conversation unfolds to explore the positive impact of framing spirituality as an ongoing inquiry rather than a set answer, highlighting the importance of creating a safe and permissible space for individuals to explore and express their spiritual dimensions in the workplace. Tune in for more!

]]>https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Spirituality-In-The-Workplace-With-Martin-Rutte-e2svkp9_Jr1uRfXpThu, 15 Feb 2024 11:00:00 GMT<p>We have been conditioned to think that spirituality is not something we could bring to work. It's something we leave at the door, never to be spoken about in the halls of business and professionalism. But as we'll see later, this is a huge missed opportunity for all stakeholders involved. In this episode, we are joined by <a href="http://martinrutte.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Martin Rutte</a>, a pioneer in the intersection of business and spirituality. Martin shares his journey into this transformative space, revealing a pivotal moment at an Indian monastery that sparked a realization about the absence of spirituality in his life. However, as Rutte navigated the resistance, he discovered that spirituality at work holds the potential to enhance authenticity, trust, and engagement. The conversation unfolds to explore the positive impact of framing spirituality as an ongoing inquiry rather than a set answer, highlighting the importance of creating a safe and permissible space for individuals to explore and express their spiritual dimensions in the workplace. Tune in for more!</p> no00:32:36Spirituality In The Workplace With Martin Ruttefull<![CDATA[The Warrior's Compassion: Healing Masculinity from the Inside Out, with Sean Harvey]]>Did you know that in today’s chaotic world, even leaders can lose touch with the truth of the men they lead? The most vulnerable need a safe space to share their stories and connect with their feminine energy because that’s where real healing begins.

In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Sean Harvey, an interfaith minister, former Wall Street professional, and a pioneer in men’s healing work, as well as the author of Warrior Compassion: Unleashing the Healing Power of Men. Together, they explore what spirituality in leadership actually looks like when you strip away dogma and focus on being fully human.

Sean shares his unconventional path from corporate life to ministry and into some of the most challenging environments imaginable, including prisons, police departments, and hyper-masculine cultures. At the center of the conversation is a simple but powerful idea: leadership begins with presence, safety, and the willingness to look inward. In a world that feels divided and overwhelmed, Sean talks about reconnecting with our inner “sacred compass” and learning to trust our own truth without needing to overpower someone else’s.

They dive into the role of storytelling as a healing tool, why creating psychologically safe spaces matters more than perfect messaging, and how compassion is often misunderstood as weakness when it actually requires courage and strength. Sean also shares insights from his book, touching on men’s unspoken suffering, the balance of healthy masculine and feminine energies, and the idea of courageous surrender.

It’s a thoughtful, grounded conversation about leadership, healing, and what it really means to lead from deeper humanity.


Key Takeaways

  • Truth Begins Within: Leadership grounded in soul starts by listening to your inner compass rather than external noise or ideology.

  • Create Safe Containers: Psychological safety and presence matter more than words or frameworks when inviting real transformation.

  • Story as Medicine: Healing happens when we move from the wounding of our stories to empowerment without bypassing the pain.

  • Compassion Is Strength: Fierce, unconditional love is not weakness but a powerful leadership capacity, especially in hyper-masculine cultures.

  • Beyond Labels: Spiritual leadership can be practiced without spiritual language by focusing on deeper humanity, love, and connection.

  • Courageous Surrender: True fulfillment comes from releasing ego, certainty, and control to follow a deeper soul mission.


In This Episode:


]]>https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/The-Warriors-Compassion-Healing-Masculinity-from-the-Inside-Out--with-Sean-Harvey-e2svkp272T4ZoSXBWed, 17 Jul 2024 10:00:00 GMT<p>Did you know that in today’s chaotic world, even leaders can lose touch with the truth of the men they lead? The most vulnerable need a safe space to share their stories and connect with their feminine energy because that’s where real healing begins.</p><p>In this episode of the <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em> podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Sean Harvey, an interfaith minister, former Wall Street professional, and a pioneer in men’s healing work, as well as the author of <em>Warrior Compassion: Unleashing the Healing Power of Men</em>. Together, they explore what spirituality in leadership actually looks like when you strip away dogma and focus on being fully human.</p><p>Sean shares his unconventional path from corporate life to ministry and into some of the most challenging environments imaginable, including prisons, police departments, and hyper-masculine cultures. At the center of the conversation is a simple but powerful idea: leadership begins with presence, safety, and the willingness to look inward. In a world that feels divided and overwhelmed, Sean talks about reconnecting with our inner “sacred compass” and learning to trust our own truth without needing to overpower someone else’s.</p><p>They dive into the role of storytelling as a healing tool, why creating psychologically safe spaces matters more than perfect messaging, and how compassion is often misunderstood as weakness when it actually requires courage and strength. Sean also shares insights from his book, touching on men’s unspoken suffering, the balance of healthy masculine and feminine energies, and the idea of courageous surrender.</p><p>It’s a thoughtful, grounded conversation about leadership, healing, and what it really means to lead from deeper humanity.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Truth Begins Within: Leadership grounded in soul starts by listening to your inner compass rather than external noise or ideology.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Create Safe Containers: Psychological safety and presence matter more than words or frameworks when inviting real transformation.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Story as Medicine: Healing happens when we move from the wounding of our stories to empowerment without bypassing the pain.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Compassion Is Strength: Fierce, unconditional love is not weakness but a powerful leadership capacity, especially in hyper-masculine cultures.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Beyond Labels: Spiritual leadership can be practiced without spiritual language by focusing on deeper humanity, love, and connection.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Courageous Surrender: True fulfillment comes from releasing ego, certainty, and control to follow a deeper soul mission.</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>In This Episode:</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>[00:00] Introduction</p></li><li><p>[01:14] Introducing Sean Harvey and his work</p></li><li><p>[02:21] Key themes in Sean’s work</p></li><li><p>[05:36] Sean’s background and approach</p></li><li><p>[07:48] Defining spirituality and soulfulness at work</p></li><li><p>[09:23] Letting go and surrender in leadership</p></li><li><p>[09:46] Discovering and accepting truth</p></li><li><p>[11:21] Creating safe spaces and storytelling</p></li><li><p>[12:53] Unpacking and healing stories</p></li><li><p>[13:43] Unblocking wounds and unconditional love</p></li><li><p>[15:12] The role of stories in identity and healing</p></li><li><p>[17:33] Non-attachment to stories</p></li><li><p>[18:40] Introducing spiritual themes without spiritual language</p></li><li><p>[20:09] Compassion, masculinity, and universal truths</p></li><li><p>[22:43] About the book: <em>Warrior Compassion</em></p></li><li><p>[24:49] Balancing masculine and feminine energies</p></li><li><p>[27:31] Integration and the sacred masculine/feminine</p></li><li><p>[28:42] Defining sacred masculine and feminine</p></li><li><p>[30:38] Courageous surrender and the soul’s mission</p></li><li><p>[32:31] Planting seeds and trusting the path</p></li><li><p>[34:08] Humility, witnessing, and walking together</p></li><li><p>[35:00] Closing and resources</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</u></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Sean Harvey</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanharvey/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanharvey/</u></a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.warriorcompassion.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>WarriorCompassion.com</u></a></p></li><li><p>Book: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Warrior-Compassion-Unleashing-Healing-Power/dp/B0CH2H7N4K" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><em>Warrior  Compassion: Unleashing the Healing Power of Men</em></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</u></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</u></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p></li></ul><p><br /></p> no00:35:44The Warrior's Compassion: Healing Masculinity from the Inside Out, with Sean Harveyfull<![CDATA[ The Pilgrim's Path: What 500 Miles with a Donkey Taught a Financial Controller About Leadership, with Jean-Christophe Normand]]>What happens when a meticulous financial controller leaves his comfortable corporate career to walk 500 miles across France with a donkey? And what could such a pilgrimage reveal about leadership, hope, and the sacred art of meeting another person without judgment?

In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Jean-Christophe Normand, an executive coach, professor at a Catholic university, and ordained deacon in the Roman Catholic Church. Jean-Christophe’s journey from corporate finance to spiritual leadership is anything but conventional.

Raised in a culture where religion and public life are carefully separated, Jean-Christophe describes himself as “culturally and emotionally 100 percent French.” Yet around age 40, after navigating difficult adoptions, personal loss, and a growing sense that his career lacked deeper meaning, something shifted. With the support of a coach, he began exploring theology and gradually stepped away from his corporate role. When a devastating car accident left his mother tetraplegic, his search for purpose deepened even further.

Seeking clarity, Jean-Christophe embarked on a 700-kilometer pilgrimage from Paris with a donkey, traveling with little planning and trusting the path to unfold. The journey became a turning point that opened the door to a life devoted to coaching, teaching, and spiritual service.

Today, Jean-Christophe’s work bridges three worlds: leadership coaching, academic teaching, and spiritual ministry. Rather than seeing these roles as separate, he experiences them as deeply interconnected expressions of the same calling.

At the heart of his philosophy is a simple yet powerful belief: hope is a gift. Even in times of darkness, leaders can hold space for the possibility that light will emerge. Through presence, listening, and deep respect for the humanity of others, leadership becomes less about authority and more about walking alongside others in their journeys.

This conversation explores how faith can quietly shape leadership practice without imposing beliefs on others and how humility, curiosity, and compassion create space for transformation in individuals and organizations alike. Let’s dive in!


In This Episode:

  • [00:03] Opening reflections on faith and hope

  • [00:48] Podcast introduction and guest overview

  • [02:24] Jean-Christophe’s early life and French Catholicism

  • [10:10] Career beginnings and personal challenges

  • [11:15] Turning point: coaching, theology, and pilgrimage

  • [15:45] Integration of coaching, teaching, and deacon roles

  • [18:20] Faith as a source of hope and calm

  • [19:42] Daily rituals and respect for others

  • [21:45] Path of wisdom and individual growth

  • [23:01] Faith as the foundation (iceberg metaphor)

  • [23:49] Hope and redemption in coaching

  • [25:55] Navigating secular environments with faith

  • [26:44] Building relationships and avoiding judgment

  • [29:42] Connecting across social levels

  • [31:18] Leadership, responsibility, and spiritual alignment

  • [34:10] Daily commitment and self-awareness

  • [37:37] Coaching practice and spirituality

  • [40:32] Contact information and future projects

  • [43:16] Book recommendation and positive narratives

  • [44:58] Closing remarks and gratitude


Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

Jean-Christophe Normand

Andrew Cohn

Book 

Music: 


]]>https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/The-Pilgrims-Path-What-500-Miles-with-a-Donkey-Taught-a-Financial-Controller-About-Leadership--with-Jean-Christophe-Normand-e2svkpbZ586sg-c2Wed, 31 Jul 2024 10:00:00 GMT<p>What happens when a meticulous financial controller leaves his comfortable corporate career to walk 500 miles across France with a donkey? And what could such a pilgrimage reveal about leadership, hope, and the sacred art of meeting another person without judgment?</p><p>In this episode of the <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em> podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Jean-Christophe Normand, an executive coach, professor at a Catholic university, and ordained deacon in the Roman Catholic Church. Jean-Christophe’s journey from corporate finance to spiritual leadership is anything but conventional.</p><p>Raised in a culture where religion and public life are carefully separated, Jean-Christophe describes himself as “culturally and emotionally 100 percent French.” Yet around age 40, after navigating difficult adoptions, personal loss, and a growing sense that his career lacked deeper meaning, something shifted. With the support of a coach, he began exploring theology and gradually stepped away from his corporate role. When a devastating car accident left his mother tetraplegic, his search for purpose deepened even further.</p><p>Seeking clarity, Jean-Christophe embarked on a 700-kilometer pilgrimage from Paris with a donkey, traveling with little planning and trusting the path to unfold. The journey became a turning point that opened the door to a life devoted to coaching, teaching, and spiritual service.</p><p>Today, Jean-Christophe’s work bridges three worlds: leadership coaching, academic teaching, and spiritual ministry. Rather than seeing these roles as separate, he experiences them as deeply interconnected expressions of the same calling.</p><p>At the heart of his philosophy is a simple yet powerful belief: hope is a gift. Even in times of darkness, leaders can hold space for the possibility that light will emerge. Through presence, listening, and deep respect for the humanity of others, leadership becomes less about authority and more about walking alongside others in their journeys.</p><p>This conversation explores how faith can quietly shape leadership practice without imposing beliefs on others and how humility, curiosity, and compassion create space for transformation in individuals and organizations alike. Let’s dive in!</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:03] Opening reflections on faith and hope</p></li><li><p>[00:48] Podcast introduction and guest overview</p></li><li><p>[02:24] Jean-Christophe’s early life and French Catholicism</p></li><li><p>[10:10] Career beginnings and personal challenges</p></li><li><p>[11:15] Turning point: coaching, theology, and pilgrimage</p></li><li><p>[15:45] Integration of coaching, teaching, and deacon roles</p></li><li><p>[18:20] Faith as a source of hope and calm</p></li><li><p>[19:42] Daily rituals and respect for others</p></li><li><p>[21:45] Path of wisdom and individual growth</p></li><li><p>[23:01] Faith as the foundation (iceberg metaphor)</p></li><li><p>[23:49] Hope and redemption in coaching</p></li><li><p>[25:55] Navigating secular environments with faith</p></li><li><p>[26:44] Building relationships and avoiding judgment</p></li><li><p>[29:42] Connecting across social levels</p></li><li><p>[31:18] Leadership, responsibility, and spiritual alignment</p></li><li><p>[34:10] Daily commitment and self-awareness</p></li><li><p>[37:37] Coaching practice and spirituality</p></li><li><p>[40:32] Contact information and future projects</p></li><li><p>[43:16] Book recommendation and positive narratives</p></li><li><p>[44:58] Closing remarks and gratitude</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Resources and Links</strong><br /></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</u></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Jean-Christophe Normand</strong></p><ul><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeanchristophenormand/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeanchristophenormand/</u></a></p></li><li><p>Website: <a href="https://rhinc.fr/en/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://rhinc.fr/en/</u></a></p></li><li><p>Email: <a href="mailto:jeanchristophe.normand@orange.fr" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>jeanchristophe.normand@orange.fr</u></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</u></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</u></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Book </strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Ministry-Future-Kim-Stanley-Robinson/dp/0316300136" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><em>The Ministry for the Future</em></a> by Kim Stanley Robinson (2020)</p></li></ul><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p> no00:45:53 The Pilgrim's Path: What 500 Miles with a Donkey Taught a Financial Controller About Leadership, with Jean-Christophe Normandfull<![CDATA[From Ashram to Boardroom: The Energy of Authentic Leadership, with Anna Pool]]>Have you ever walked into a room and instantly felt the energy shift before a single word was spoken? What if leadership isn’t just about what you say or do, but the energy you broadcast every day?

In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with executive coach Anna Pool to explore the true frequency of leadership and how our internal state quietly shapes every meeting, decision, and connection. Anna’s story is extraordinary. She spent 20 years in an ashram devoted to meditation, yoga, and service before her spiritual community collapsed under the weight of betrayal. That loss became her greatest teacher, leading her from the ashram to the boardroom, where she now helps leaders embody authentic, energetic presence.

Together, they unpack Dr. David Hawkins’ Map of Consciousness and what it reveals about courage, fear, and the “green zone” of leadership, where creativity and clarity thrive. Anna shares how awareness and intention can transform not only your leadership, but the very atmosphere around you.

It’s a fascinating look at how to lead with your energy, not just your words, and why what you broadcast matters more than you think.


Key Takeaways

  • Your Energy Precedes You: Leaders are constantly broadcasting an emotional frequency that directly impacts team morale, engagement, and psychological safety.

  • The Map of Consciousness: A visual model for understanding emotional states, from reactive, low-frequency zones (shame, fear, anger) to creative, high-frequency zones (courage, acceptance, love).

  • Courage is the Threshold: Effective, purposeful leadership becomes consistently accessible at the level of "Courage," where we move from reactivity to possibility and choice.

  • Non-Judgmental Self-Awareness is Key: The most critical skill for spiritual and leadership growth is the ability to observe your own state without criticism, creating space for conscious change.

  • Practical Resets Work: Simple interventions like brief guided meditations or "green zone exercises" can quickly shift a group's energy, leading to more productive and insightful outcomes.

  • Executive Presence Reimagined: The elusive quality of "executive presence" is deeply connected to one's ability to broadcast calm, confident, and creative frequencies.


In This Episode:

  • [00:01] Anna’s ashram years and early awakening

  • [04:44] What led her to drop out of college and join the community

  • [08:41] Roles and leadership within the ashram

  • [09:51] Marriage, vows, and challenges of communal life

  • [10:49] The scandal that changed everything

  • [12:57] Transitioning from ashram life to professional coaching

  • [16:07] Discovering Dr. David Hawkins’ Map of Consciousness

  • [20:42] The importance of non-judgmental self-awareness

  • [23:36] Connecting spiritual insight to corporate leadership

  • [24:48] The “green zone” and the courage frequency

  • [30:38] Feeling versus thinking, how emotion drives energy

  • [33:09] How leaders broadcast energy and influence others

  • [36:13] Introducing spirituality in business without alienating teams

  • [38:18] Redefining executive presence through vibrational leadership

  • [41:17] Anna’s book on possibility thinking

  • [42:21] The “green zone” mindfulness exercise

  • [43:31] Why energy work belongs in every leadership toolkit

  • [45:07] Where to find and connect with Anna



Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast


Anna Pool


Andrew Cohn


Referenced 


Music: 


]]>https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/From-Ashram-to-Boardroom-The-Energy-of-Authentic-Leadership--with-Anna-Pool-e3b61pp6f961f97-005b-4f0e-a150-d571f9826f59Wed, 15 Oct 2025 07:39:00 GMT<p>Have you ever walked into a room and instantly felt the energy shift before a single word was spoken? What if leadership isn’t just about what you say or do, but the energy you broadcast every day?</p><p>In this episode of the <em>Spirituality in Leadership </em>podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with executive coach Anna Pool to explore the true frequency of leadership and how our internal state quietly shapes every meeting, decision, and connection. Anna’s story is extraordinary. She spent 20 years in an ashram devoted to meditation, yoga, and service before her spiritual community collapsed under the weight of betrayal. That loss became her greatest teacher, leading her from the ashram to the boardroom, where she now helps leaders embody authentic, energetic presence.</p><p>Together, they unpack Dr. David Hawkins’ Map of Consciousness and what it reveals about courage, fear, and the “green zone” of leadership, where creativity and clarity thrive. Anna shares how awareness and intention can transform not only your leadership, but the very atmosphere around you.</p><p>It’s a fascinating look at how to lead with your energy, not just your words, and why what you broadcast matters more than you think.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Your Energy Precedes You: Leaders are constantly broadcasting an emotional frequency that directly impacts team morale, engagement, and psychological safety.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>The Map of Consciousness: A visual model for understanding emotional states, from reactive, low-frequency zones (shame, fear, anger) to creative, high-frequency zones (courage, acceptance, love).</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Courage is the Threshold: Effective, purposeful leadership becomes consistently accessible at the level of "Courage," where we move from reactivity to possibility and choice.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Non-Judgmental Self-Awareness is Key: The most critical skill for spiritual and leadership growth is the ability to observe your own state without criticism, creating space for conscious change.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Practical Resets Work: Simple interventions like brief guided meditations or "green zone exercises" can quickly shift a group's energy, leading to more productive and insightful outcomes.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Executive Presence Reimagined: The elusive quality of "executive presence" is deeply connected to one's ability to broadcast calm, confident, and creative frequencies.</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:01] Anna’s ashram years and early awakening</p></li><li><p>[04:44] What led her to drop out of college and join the community</p></li><li><p>[08:41] Roles and leadership within the ashram</p></li><li><p>[09:51] Marriage, vows, and challenges of communal life</p></li><li><p>[10:49] The scandal that changed everything</p></li><li><p>[12:57] Transitioning from ashram life to professional coaching</p></li><li><p>[16:07] Discovering Dr. David Hawkins’ <em>Map of Consciousness</em></p></li><li><p>[20:42] The importance of non-judgmental self-awareness</p></li><li><p>[23:36] Connecting spiritual insight to corporate leadership</p></li><li><p>[24:48] The “green zone” and the courage frequency</p></li><li><p>[30:38] Feeling versus thinking, how emotion drives energy</p></li><li><p>[33:09] How leaders broadcast energy and influence others</p></li><li><p>[36:13] Introducing spirituality in business without alienating teams</p></li><li><p>[38:18] Redefining executive presence through vibrational leadership</p></li><li><p>[41:17] Anna’s book on possibility thinking</p></li><li><p>[42:21] The “green zone” mindfulness exercise</p></li><li><p>[43:31] Why energy work belongs in every leadership toolkit</p></li><li><p>[45:07] Where to find and connect with Anna</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Anna Pool</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website<a href="https://executivesavvyinc.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">:https://executivesavvyinc.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-pool-26a61110/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"> https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-pool-26a61110/</a></p></li><li><p>Book:<em> </em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Creating-Futures-that-Matter-Today/dp/069293684X" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em>Creating Futures That Matter: Facilitating Change Through Shared Vision</em></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Referenced </strong></p><ul><li><p>David Hawkins — <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Map-Consciousness-Explained-Actualize-Potential/dp/1401959644" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em>Map of Consciousness Explained</em></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p> no00:46:13From Ashram to Boardroom: The Energy of Authentic Leadership, with Anna Poolfull<![CDATA[Reflections on Spirituality in Leadership: Presence, Purpose and Fulfillment, with Andrew Cohn]]>In this reflective solo episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn steps away from interviews to share some of the deepest insights he has gained from nine months of podcast conversations and nearly three decades in the leadership development space.

Andrew revisits the heart of why this podcast exists: the belief that long-term effectiveness in leadership is impossible without fulfillment. While stress, overwork, and dissatisfaction may be survivable in the short term, Andrew explains why they are unsustainable over time. He reflects on how spirituality in leadership is less about religion and more about presence, values, purpose, and the ability to listen deeply in a distracted world.

Through stories from his work with executives, his years of Aikido practice, and his experiential leadership work with Equus in Santa Fe, Andrew unpacks the power of presence as a practical leadership skill. He explains how awareness creates choice, how values shape behavior, and why inner work is not optional for leaders who want to serve well.

This episode is an honest and grounding reminder that leadership is not just about performance. It is about how we show up, how we listen, and how we stay human along the way.


Key Takeaways

  • The "Why" Behind the Podcast: Created to host essential workplace conversations that connect effectiveness and fulfillment for long-term sustainability.

  • Fulfillment is a Strategic Imperative: Short-term stress is manageable, but lasting leadership requires deep personal and professional fulfillment.

  • Broadening the Definition of "Spiritual": Spirituality is framed as purpose, values in action, and higher motivation open to all beliefs.

  • Presence as the Core Practice: Being fully attentive, undistracted, and available is the key bridge between spirituality and leadership.

  • We Have 1924 Brains in a 2024 World: Our nervous systems lag behind modern demands, requiring new tools and practices.

  • From Awareness to Embodied Change: Growth comes through awareness, choice, action, and reflection.

  • Leadership as Responsibility: Leaders are accountable for the safety, growth, and development of others.

  • The Goal is Inclusion: Spiritual language is used to invite, not exclude.

In This Episode:

  • [00:00] Introduction and episode intention

  • [01:28] Solo episode and feedback reflections

  • [02:32] Foundations of the podcast

  • [04:42] Professional background and experience

  • [05:59] Inviting meaningful conversations

  • [07:11] Defining spirituality in leadership

  • [08:13] Individual and organizational dimensions

  • [09:18] The practice of presence

  • [10:24] Managing modern pressures and distractions

  • [11:29] Presence in leadership practice

  • [12:37] Making presence actionable

  • [13:39] Aikido, experiential learning, and leadership

  • [15:44] Values in action and leadership responsibility

  • [16:41] Bringing spiritual qualities to work

  • [17:44] Inclusivity and broad definitions

  • [18:21] Closing thoughts and invitation


Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

Andrew Cohn

Music: 


]]>https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Reflections-on-Spirituality-in-Leadership-Presence--Purpose-and-Fulfillment--with-Andrew-Cohn-e2svkou76kQ212hTWed, 03 Jul 2024 10:00:00 GMT<p>In this reflective solo episode of <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em>, host Andrew Cohn steps away from interviews to share some of the deepest insights he has gained from nine months of podcast conversations and nearly three decades in the leadership development space.</p><p>Andrew revisits the heart of why this podcast exists: the belief that long-term effectiveness in leadership is impossible without fulfillment. While stress, overwork, and dissatisfaction may be survivable in the short term, Andrew explains why they are unsustainable over time. He reflects on how spirituality in leadership is less about religion and more about presence, values, purpose, and the ability to listen deeply in a distracted world.</p><p>Through stories from his work with executives, his years of Aikido practice, and his experiential leadership work with Equus in Santa Fe, Andrew unpacks the power of presence as a practical leadership skill. He explains how awareness creates choice, how values shape behavior, and why inner work is not optional for leaders who want to serve well.</p><p>This episode is an honest and grounding reminder that leadership is not just about performance. It is about how we show up, how we listen, and how we stay human along the way.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>The "Why" Behind the Podcast: Created to host essential workplace conversations that connect effectiveness and fulfillment for long-term sustainability.</p></li><li><p>Fulfillment is a Strategic Imperative: Short-term stress is manageable, but lasting leadership requires deep personal and professional fulfillment.</p></li><li><p>Broadening the Definition of "Spiritual": Spirituality is framed as purpose, values in action, and higher motivation open to all beliefs.</p></li><li><p>Presence as the Core Practice: Being fully attentive, undistracted, and available is the key bridge between spirituality and leadership.</p></li><li><p>We Have 1924 Brains in a 2024 World: Our nervous systems lag behind modern demands, requiring new tools and practices.</p></li><li><p>From Awareness to Embodied Change: Growth comes through awareness, choice, action, and reflection.</p></li><li><p>Leadership as Responsibility: Leaders are accountable for the safety, growth, and development of others.</p></li><li><p>The Goal is Inclusion: Spiritual language is used to invite, not exclude.<br /></p></li></ul><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:00] Introduction and episode intention</p></li><li><p>[01:28] Solo episode and feedback reflections</p></li><li><p>[02:32] Foundations of the podcast</p></li><li><p>[04:42] Professional background and experience</p></li><li><p>[05:59] Inviting meaningful conversations</p></li><li><p>[07:11] Defining spirituality in leadership</p></li><li><p>[08:13] Individual and organizational dimensions</p></li><li><p>[09:18] The practice of presence</p></li><li><p>[10:24] Managing modern pressures and distractions</p></li><li><p>[11:29] Presence in leadership practice</p></li><li><p>[12:37] Making presence actionable</p></li><li><p>[13:39] Aikido, experiential learning, and leadership</p></li><li><p>[15:44] Values in action and leadership responsibility</p></li><li><p>[16:41] Bringing spiritual qualities to work</p></li><li><p>[17:44] Inclusivity and broad definitions</p></li><li><p>[18:21] Closing thoughts and invitation</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</u></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</u></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</u></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p> no00:19:02Reflections on Spirituality in Leadership: Presence, Purpose and Fulfillment, with Andrew Cohnfull<![CDATA[From Reactivity to Presence: Somatic Practices for Leaders with Kimberly Arnold ]]>Ever wondered how somatic practices like aikido and tai chi can enhance your leadership skills? In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership Podcast, Andrew Cohn welcomes Kimberly Arnold, transformation strategist, former corporate leader at PwC, Blue Shield, and Salesforce, and founder of Somatic Leadership. Kimberly shares her personal and professional journey from high-pressure corporate roles to somatic practices rooted in Aikido, Tai Chi, and Feldenkrais.

Together, Andrew and Kimberly explore how leaders can move beyond reactivity, regulate their nervous systems, and shift the energy in a room from fear and anxiety to connection and collaboration. Kimberly offers powerful stories from navigating corporate crises at Salesforce to facilitating executive conflict resolution under an oak tree that show how grounding, centering, and intentional presence can transform leadership impact.

She also introduces her practice of “Micro Shift Monday,” a series of small, practical, weekly practices designed to help leaders make their body an ally and bring more ease and wisdom into their day-to-day leadership.

This is an inspiring and practical conversation for anyone seeking to integrate spirituality and embodiment into leadership. Let’s dive in!


Key Takeaways

  • Your body is a spiritual ally; grounding and centering practices can shift reactivity into presence and connection.

  • Leaders set the tone in the room: emotions are contagious, so awareness of your inner state is critical.

  • Somatic practices create space to transform “oh-shit moments” into opportunities for clarity and collaboration.

  • Habits and daily rituals, like Kimberly’s “cup practice,” help leaders anchor intentions and release stress.

  • Small micro shifts, consistently practiced, can repave neural pathways and turn helpful states into lasting traits.

  • True transformation happens when leaders integrate mind, body, and spirit not just strategy and words.


In This Episode:

]]>https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/From-Reactivity-to-Presence-Somatic-Practices-for-Leaders-with-Kimberly-Arnold-e2svkotNbqYRxx9LThu, 25 Apr 2024 10:00:00 GMT<p>Ever wondered how somatic practices like aikido and tai chi can enhance your leadership skills? In this episode of the<em> Spirituality in Leadership</em> Podcast, Andrew Cohn welcomes Kimberly Arnold, transformation strategist, former corporate leader at PwC, Blue Shield, and Salesforce, and founder of Somatic Leadership. Kimberly shares her personal and professional journey from high-pressure corporate roles to somatic practices rooted in Aikido, Tai Chi, and Feldenkrais.</p><p>Together, Andrew and Kimberly explore how leaders can move beyond reactivity, regulate their nervous systems, and shift the energy in a room from fear and anxiety to connection and collaboration. Kimberly offers powerful stories from navigating corporate crises at Salesforce to facilitating executive conflict resolution under an oak tree that show how grounding, centering, and intentional presence can transform leadership impact.</p><p>She also introduces her practice of “Micro Shift Monday,” a series of small, practical, weekly practices designed to help leaders make their body an ally and bring more ease and wisdom into their day-to-day leadership.</p><p>This is an inspiring and practical conversation for anyone seeking to integrate spirituality and embodiment into leadership. Let’s dive in!</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Your body is a spiritual ally; grounding and centering practices can shift reactivity into presence and connection.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Leaders set the tone in the room: emotions are contagious, so awareness of your inner state is critical.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Somatic practices create space to transform “oh-shit moments” into opportunities for clarity and collaboration.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Habits and daily rituals, like Kimberly’s “cup practice,” help leaders anchor intentions and release stress.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Small micro shifts, consistently practiced, can repave neural pathways and turn helpful states into lasting traits.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>True transformation happens when leaders integrate mind, body, and spirit not just strategy and words.</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li></li><li>(00:01) Reactive nervous systems and societal fear</li><li></li><li>(00:30) Podcast introduction</li><li></li><li>(01:07) Episode recap and framing</li><li></li><li>(03:10) Kimberly’s background and somatic journey</li><li></li><li>(04:07) Integrating body and leadership</li><li></li><li>(05:35) Spiritual dimensions in the workplace</li><li></li><li>(07:21) Contagious emotions and energy in meetings</li><li></li><li>(08:03) Grounding and centering under stress</li><li></li><li>(10:57) Transforming conflict through somatic practices</li><li></li><li>(12:41) Practical and aspirational aspects of somatic work</li><li></li><li>(13:51) Building habits for somatic awareness</li><li></li><li>(14:53) Facilitating C-suite conflict resolution</li><li></li><li>(17:52) Advice to younger self: Pause in urgency</li><li></li><li>(19:12) Body as fastest path to change</li><li></li><li>(20:25) Daily cup practice for intention and reflection</li><li></li><li>(21:49) Micro shift Monday initiative</li><li>(22:50) Closing and podcast outro<br /><strong>Resources and Links</strong></li><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Kimberly S. Arnold</strong></p><ul><li><p>Linktree: <a href="https://linktr.ee/kimberlysarnold" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://linktr.ee/kimberlysarnold</u></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kimberlysarnold/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>Kimberly S. Arnold</u></a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/somatic-leadership-llc/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>Somatic Leadership </u></a></p></li><li><p> Micro Shift Monday: LinkedIn weekly series</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</u></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</u></a><br /></p></li></ul></ul> no00:23:47From Reactivity to Presence: Somatic Practices for Leaders with Kimberly Arnold full<![CDATA[Faith, Health & Leadership: The Science Behind Spiritual Well-Being, with Harold Koenig]]>What if the key to a longer, healthier, and more successful life isn’t found in a diet or workout plan, but in what you believe, where your faith itself could help you live longer and thrive?

In this compelling episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Dr. Harold Koenig, a preeminent scholar from Duke University's Center for Spirituality, Theology and Health. With over four decades of research, Dr. Koenig shares powerful, evidence-based insights on the undeniable connection between religious faith and well-being.

He reveals how faith, on average, leads to greater happiness, better mental health, and even a longer lifespan by 7-14 years. The mechanisms are clear: faith provides meaning, fosters strong social support, and encourages healthier behaviors. But what about non-believers? Dr. Koenig discusses his book, Spiritual Readiness, explaining that anyone can achieve similar benefits by cultivating a positive belief system, a strong community, and moral habits, though he notes this is often easier within a religious framework.

The conversation also explores the practical application of this research in leadership and healthcare, highlighting how faith-inspired leaders often create more inclusive and productive workplaces. This episode is a fascinating look at how nurturing our spiritual core can be a profound asset for personal and professional success.


Key Takeaways

Faith and health are scientifically linked: Decades of peer-reviewed research show that religious or spiritual belief correlates with greater happiness, longer life expectancy, and better mental health.

Non-believers benefit too: A positive belief system, moral habits, and strong social connections can provide similar health outcomes though sustaining them without a faith tradition can be challenging.

Global evidence: Studies in Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism consistently reveal similar patterns of improved health and resilience.

Healthcare opportunity: Despite overwhelming evidence, most healthcare systems neglect patients’ spiritual needs, though medical schools are slowly integrating this dimension into training.

In This Episode:


  • [00:01] Opening remarks and research overview

    [00:22] Non-believers and health benefits

    [00;57] Podcast introduction and guest background

    [03:55] Dr. Koenig’s center and research mission

    [05:04] Approaching the religion-health connection

    [06:45] Personal motivation for teaching

    [07:36] Center’s and personal research objectives

    [08:19] Most compelling recent research

    [09:28] Epidemiological evidence and health outcomes

    [10:03] Mechanisms behind health benefits

    [11:29] International research and consistency

    [12:14] Health behaviors among the religious

    [13:34] Human nature and self-control

    [15:34] Global interest in spirituality-health research

    [17:36] Acceptance and accessibility of research

    [18:11] Resources for further learning

    [19:23] Spirituality in the workplace

    [20:22] Religious faith and leadership qualities

    [21:52] Communicating research to business leaders

    [22:58] Application in healthcare leadership

    [25:33] Trends in healthcare spirituality

    [26:30] Optimism for future integration

    [27:39] Religion and optimism

    [29:18] Where to learn more

    [30:13] Closing remarks



    • Resources and Links

    Spirituality in Leadership Podcast


    Dr. Harold Koenig


    Andrew Cohn


    Music: 


    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Faith--Health--Leadership-The-Science-Behind-Spiritual-Well-Being--with-Harold-Koenig-e3a56dua0f36f13-6ee6-4ed4-803f-489c794ee52aWed, 03 Sep 2025 08:56:00 GMT<p>What if the key to a longer, healthier, and more successful life isn’t found in a diet or workout plan, but in what you believe, where your faith itself could help you live longer and thrive?</p><p>In this compelling episode of the <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em> podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Dr. Harold Koenig, a preeminent scholar from Duke University's Center for Spirituality, Theology and Health. With over four decades of research, Dr. Koenig shares powerful, evidence-based insights on the undeniable connection between religious faith and well-being.</p><p>He reveals how faith, on average, leads to greater happiness, better mental health, and even a longer lifespan by 7-14 years. The mechanisms are clear: faith provides meaning, fosters strong social support, and encourages healthier behaviors. But what about non-believers? Dr. Koenig discusses his book, <em>Spiritual Readiness,</em> explaining that anyone can achieve similar benefits by cultivating a positive belief system, a strong community, and moral habits, though he notes this is often easier within a religious framework.</p><p>The conversation also explores the practical application of this research in leadership and healthcare, highlighting how faith-inspired leaders often create more inclusive and productive workplaces. This episode is a fascinating look at how nurturing our spiritual core can be a profound asset for personal and professional success.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><p>Faith and health are scientifically linked: Decades of peer-reviewed research show that religious or spiritual belief correlates with greater happiness, longer life expectancy, and better mental health.</p><p>Non-believers benefit too: A positive belief system, moral habits, and strong social connections can provide similar health outcomes though sustaining them without a faith tradition can be challenging.</p><p>Global evidence: Studies in Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism consistently reveal similar patterns of improved health and resilience.</p><p>Healthcare opportunity: Despite overwhelming evidence, most healthcare systems neglect patients’ spiritual needs, though medical schools are slowly integrating this dimension into training.<br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><li><p><br /></p><p>[00:01] Opening remarks and research overview</p><p>[00:22] Non-believers and health benefits</p><p>[00;57] Podcast introduction and guest background</p><p>[03:55] Dr. Koenig’s center and research mission</p><p>[05:04] Approaching the religion-health connection</p><p>[06:45] Personal motivation for teaching</p><p>[07:36] Center’s and personal research objectives</p><p>[08:19] Most compelling recent research</p><p>[09:28] Epidemiological evidence and health outcomes</p><p>[10:03] Mechanisms behind health benefits</p><p>[11:29] International research and consistency</p><p>[12:14] Health behaviors among the religious</p><p>[13:34] Human nature and self-control</p><p>[15:34] Global interest in spirituality-health research</p><p>[17:36] Acceptance and accessibility of research</p><p>[18:11] Resources for further learning</p><p>[19:23] Spirituality in the workplace</p><p>[20:22] Religious faith and leadership qualities</p><p>[21:52] Communicating research to business leaders</p><p>[22:58] Application in healthcare leadership</p><p>[25:33] Trends in healthcare spirituality</p><p>[26:30] Optimism for future integration</p><p>[27:39] Religion and optimism</p><p>[29:18] Where to learn more</p><p>[30:13] Closing remarks</p><p><br /></p></li><li><p><br /></p></li><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Dr. Harold Koenig</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website:<a href="https://spiritualityandhealth.duke.edu/index.php/harold-g-koenig-m-d/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"> <em>https://spiritualityandhealth.duke.edu/</em></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/harold-koenig-5a1544283" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/harold-koenig-5a1544283</a></p></li><li><p>Books by Dr. Harold Koenig<em>:</em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Power-Faith-Triumph-Disease/dp/0684852977" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em> The Healing Power of Faith,</em></a><em> </em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Spiritual-Readiness-Survival-Guide-Non-Believer/dp/B0CTC27JNF" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em>Spiritual Readiness: A Guide for Non-Believers, and Handbook of Religion and Health </em></a><em> (3rd Edition, 2024)</em></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p> no00:31:43Faith, Health & Leadership: The Science Behind Spiritual Well-Being, with Harold Koenigfull    <![CDATA[Reflections on Spirituality in Leadership: Insights, Values, Connection, and Taking Practical Action, with Andrew Cohn]]>In this thought-provoking episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn delves into key themes and insights from previous episodes, weaving together lessons on spirituality and leadership. With heartfelt gratitude for the diverse perspectives shared by past guests, Andrew explores the intersection of personal effectiveness, leadership impact, and the integration of spirituality into professional practice. 

    Andrew emphasizes the importance of aligning with personal values, embracing cultural awareness, and drawing inspiration from nature to cultivate resilience and creativity. Drawing on rich examples from his executive coaching experience, he offers reflective questions to inspire listeners to examine how their own experiences, values, and beliefs shape their leadership style and personal growth. This episode invites a deeper exploration of what it means to lead with purpose and authenticity.


    Key Takeaways

    Reflection on key themes from previous discussions about spirituality and leadership.

    Importance of personal values in leadership.

    Cultural awareness and its role in effective leadership.

    Integration of spirituality into leadership practices.

    The impact of nature on resilience and creativity.

    Examples from executive coaching and team alignment work.

    Diverse perspectives from various guests on meaningful work and relationships.

    Encouragement for listeners to engage in self-reflection and personal growth.

    The significance of authenticity and connection in leadership.

    Practical application of discussed themes in real-world scenarios.


    In This Episode:

    (00:00:00) Introduction to individual reflection

    (00:00:26) Gratitude for guests

    (00:01:26) Discussion of guest topics

    (00:02:45) Inspirational nature of conversations

    (00:05:07) Quotes and themes of service

    (00:06:23) Cultural awareness in leadership

    (00:08:53) Nature's role in resilience

    (00:10:22) Client work examples

    (00:13:06) Team dynamics and values

    (00:14:24) Practicality over buzzwords

    (00:15:33) Reflective questions for leadership

    (00:18:11) Conclusion and call to action


    Resources and Links


    Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

    Spirituality in Leadership


    Andrew Cohn

    Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/


    Music
    Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Reflections-on-Spirituality-in-Leadership-Insights--Values--Connection--and-Taking-Practical-Action--with-Andrew-Cohn-e2u4eqjf08f5d9a-adff-4e89-9e0c-8eff89af7cb2Wed, 15 Jan 2025 08:02:00 GMT<p>In this thought-provoking episode of the <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em> podcast, host Andrew Cohn delves into key themes and insights from previous episodes, weaving together lessons on spirituality and leadership. With heartfelt gratitude for the diverse perspectives shared by past guests, Andrew explores the intersection of personal effectiveness, leadership impact, and the integration of spirituality into professional practice. </p><p>Andrew emphasizes the importance of aligning with personal values, embracing cultural awareness, and drawing inspiration from nature to cultivate resilience and creativity. Drawing on rich examples from his executive coaching experience, he offers reflective questions to inspire listeners to examine how their own experiences, values, and beliefs shape their leadership style and personal growth. This episode invites a deeper exploration of what it means to lead with purpose and authenticity.</p><p><br /></p><p>Key Takeaways</p><p>Reflection on key themes from previous discussions about spirituality and leadership.</p><p>Importance of personal values in leadership.</p><p>Cultural awareness and its role in effective leadership.</p><p>Integration of spirituality into leadership practices.</p><p>The impact of nature on resilience and creativity.</p><p>Examples from executive coaching and team alignment work.</p><p>Diverse perspectives from various guests on meaningful work and relationships.</p><p>Encouragement for listeners to engage in self-reflection and personal growth.</p><p>The significance of authenticity and connection in leadership.</p><p>Practical application of discussed themes in real-world scenarios.</p><p><br /></p><p>In This Episode:</p><p>(00:00:00) Introduction to individual reflection</p><p>(00:00:26) Gratitude for guests</p><p>(00:01:26) Discussion of guest topics</p><p>(00:02:45) Inspirational nature of conversations</p><p>(00:05:07) Quotes and themes of service</p><p>(00:06:23) Cultural awareness in leadership</p><p>(00:08:53) Nature's role in resilience</p><p>(00:10:22) Client work examples</p><p>(00:13:06) Team dynamics and values</p><p>(00:14:24) Practicality over buzzwords</p><p>(00:15:33) Reflective questions for leadership</p><p>(00:18:11) Conclusion and call to action</p><p><br />Resources and Links</p><p><br /></p><p>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</p><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Spirituality in Leadership</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Andrew Cohn</p><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Music<br />Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a><br /></p> no00:20:17Reflections on Spirituality in Leadership: Insights, Values, Connection, and Taking Practical Action, with Andrew Cohnfull    <![CDATA[The Power of Trust: How Authenticity Transforms Leadership, with David Allen ]]>Like it or not, leadership isn’t just about making decisions and getting things done—it’s about how you get things done. Productivity without purpose leads to burnout, while purpose without action leaves potential unfulfilled. What if the secret to stress-free leadership lies in balancing both?

    In this episode ofSpirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn sits down with David Allen, the mastermind behindGetting Things Done: The Art of Stress-Free Productivity. Together, they explore the intersection of leadership, authenticity, and inner guidance, revealing how GTD principles can help leaders not only manage their workload but also lead with clarity, trust, and intention.

    From overcoming overwhelm to embracing the “still small voice” within, this conversation offers powerful insights on how leaders can create an environment of engagement, psychological safety, and true effectiveness. Whether you're a seasoned executive or just starting your leadership journey, this episode will challenge you to rethink productivity—not just as a tool for efficiency but as a pathway to deeper fulfillment and impact.

    Ready to transform the way you lead? Tune in now and discover how to integrate stress-free productivity with authentic leadership. Don’t forget to subscribe, share the episode, and let us know your biggest takeaway in the comments!

    Key Takeaways

    • The intersection of spirituality and leadership

    • How authenticity boosts engagement and trust within teams

    • The importance of accepting current realities

    • The balance between personal productivity and collaboration

    • The role of inner guidance in decision-making

    • Managing leadership challenges and information overload

    • Building psychological safety in teams

    • Clarity of purpose and direction in leadership

    • Trust, vulnerability, and authenticity in leadership dynamics

    • Integrating spiritual wisdom with practical productivity strategies

    • Teaching productivity principles to the next generation

    In This Episode:

    (00:04) – Welcome and introduction(00:36) – Meet David Allen(01:39) – Authenticity in leadership(02:47) – Embracing the current reality(03:57) – Tuning into your “still small voice”(04:51) – Balancing practical and spiritual approaches(06:01) – Understanding authenticity(08:11) – The cost of inauthenticity(09:11) – Developing your authentic self(10:30) – The significance of embracing the current reality(12:07) – Managing overwhelm as a leader(14:29) – Tools vs. authenticity(15:03) – Encouraging authentic leadership in others(16:07) – Framework for authentic conversations(19:17) – The importance of vulnerability and trust(20:36) – Engagement and leadership(21:21) – Spirituality’s role in leadership(21:30) – The power of spirit in leadership decisions(23:16) – Authenticity and shifting perspectives(25:48) – Revisiting the “still small voice”(27:13) – Trusting your inner wisdom(28:45) – The power of intention in leadership(29:00) – Drifting vs. intentionality in leadership(30:38) – Acceptance and cooperation(31:54) – Efficient use of energy(32:54) – Completion and creation(34:55) – GTD for teens(36:34) – Integration of wisdom


    Resources and Links

    Spirituality in Leadership Podcast


    David Allen


    Andrew Cohn


    Music: 


    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/The-Power-of-Trust-How-Authenticity-Transforms-Leadership--with-David-Allen-e2uoq48c8304dd6-41b0-44e0-9c7a-48b83b369fb4Wed, 29 Jan 2025 10:00:00 GMT<p>Like it or not, leadership isn’t just about making decisions and getting things done—it’s about how you get things done. Productivity without purpose leads to burnout, while purpose without action leaves potential unfulfilled. What if the secret to stress-free leadership lies in balancing both?</p><p>In this episode of<em>Spirituality in Leadership</em>, host Andrew Cohn sits down with David Allen, the mastermind behind<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Getting-Things-Done-Stress-Free-Productivity/dp/0142000280" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em>Getting Things Done: The Art of Stress-Free Productivity</em></a>. Together, they explore the intersection of leadership, authenticity, and inner guidance, revealing how GTD principles can help leaders not only manage their workload but also lead with clarity, trust, and intention.</p><p>From overcoming overwhelm to embracing the “still small voice” within, this conversation offers powerful insights on how leaders can create an environment of engagement, psychological safety, and true effectiveness. Whether you're a seasoned executive or just starting your leadership journey, this episode will challenge you to rethink productivity—not just as a tool for efficiency but as a pathway to deeper fulfillment and impact.</p><p>Ready to transform the way you lead? Tune in now and discover how to integrate stress-free productivity with authentic leadership. Don’t forget to subscribe, share the episode, and let us know your biggest takeaway in the comments!</p><p><strong>Key Takeaways</strong></p><ul><li><p>The intersection of spirituality and leadership</p></li><li><p>How authenticity boosts engagement and trust within teams</p></li><li><p>The importance of accepting current realities</p></li><li><p>The balance between personal productivity and collaboration</p></li><li><p>The role of inner guidance in decision-making</p></li><li><p>Managing leadership challenges and information overload</p></li><li><p>Building psychological safety in teams</p></li><li><p>Clarity of purpose and direction in leadership</p></li><li><p>Trust, vulnerability, and authenticity in leadership dynamics</p></li><li><p>Integrating spiritual wisdom with practical productivity strategies</p></li><li><p>Teaching productivity principles to the next generation</p></li></ul><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><p>(00:04) – Welcome and introduction(00:36) – Meet David Allen(01:39) – Authenticity in leadership(02:47) – Embracing the current reality(03:57) – Tuning into your “still small voice”(04:51) – Balancing practical and spiritual approaches(06:01) – Understanding authenticity(08:11) – The cost of inauthenticity(09:11) – Developing your authentic self(10:30) – The significance of embracing the current reality(12:07) – Managing overwhelm as a leader(14:29) – Tools vs. authenticity(15:03) – Encouraging authentic leadership in others(16:07) – Framework for authentic conversations(19:17) – The importance of vulnerability and trust(20:36) – Engagement and leadership(21:21) – Spirituality’s role in leadership(21:30) – The power of spirit in leadership decisions(23:16) – Authenticity and shifting perspectives(25:48) – Revisiting the “still small voice”(27:13) – Trusting your inner wisdom(28:45) – The power of intention in leadership(29:00) – Drifting vs. intentionality in leadership(30:38) – Acceptance and cooperation(31:54) – Efficient use of energy(32:54) – Completion and creation(34:55) – GTD for teens(36:34) – Integration of wisdom</p><p><br /><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Spirituality in Leadership</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>David Allen</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website:<a href="https://gettingthingsdone.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://gettingthingsdone.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn:<a href="https://nl.linkedin.com/company/david-allen-company" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"> https://nl.linkedin.com/company/david-allen-company</a></p></li><li><p>X:<a href="https://x.com/gtdguy?lang=en&amp;mx=2" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://x.com/gtdguy?lang=en&amp;mx=2</a></p></li><li><p>Book<strong>:</strong><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Getting-Things-Done-Stress-Free-Productivity/dp/0142000280" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Getting-Things-Done-Stress-Free-Productivity/dp/0142000280</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website:<a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p> no00:37:54The Power of Trust: How Authenticity Transforms Leadership, with David Allen full    <![CDATA[Between Mindset and Heartset: The Unseen Journey of Becoming Whole, with Pablo Sillas Domínguez ]]>Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why you think the way you think? Or what drives the choices you make every day in your work, your relationships, your leadership?

    In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn speaks with Pablo Sillas Domínguez, a human relations executive and author of Heartset. Pablo shares his powerful personal journey from being a successful but workaholic HR director, whom he describes as the "wolf" of his own family, to embarking on a profound spiritual and transformational path.

    The catalyst for this change was a pivotal question from a coach: "Do you know why you think the way you think?" This launched Pablo on a years-long journey of introspection, unlearning, and integrating his reason with his emotions and intuition. He explains that this personal awakening mirrors a larger societal issue, where a hyper-competitive, ego-driven mindset has led to widespread stress and disconnection.

    Pablo introduces key concepts from his book, including "field thoughts," (the fusion of feeling and thinking), "charisms," (spiritual gifts), and “meditaction,” (combining meditation with action for the common good). He argues for bringing vulnerability and our whole selves into the workplace, moving from seeing people as disposable resources to recognizing them as indispensable individuals. The conversation offers a practical and aspirational framework for leaders to cultivate purpose, meaning, and healthier organizations.


    Key Takeaways

    • From ego to essence: Real transformation begins by asking honest questions about why we think and feel the way we do.

    • Three pillars of being: Growth requires balance between reason, emotion, and intuition.

    • The Heartset framework: Shifting from competition to awareness creates space for genuine connection and shared purpose.

    • Unlearning to become: Letting go of old patterns and roles reveals authenticity and freedom.

    • Vulnerability as strength: Honest openness builds empathy, trust, and deeper relationships in the workplace.

    • Field thoughts and tharisms: Spiritual practices that turn personal growth into collective uplift.

    • Meditation in action: True mindfulness lives in behavior, not just reflection.


    In This Episode:

    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Between-Mindset-and-Heartset-The-Unseen-Journey-of-Becoming-Whole--with-Pablo-Sillas-Domnguez-e3acud94204463f-4591-481b-8016-f08ce49903c1Wed, 24 Sep 2025 07:00:00 GMT<p>Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why you think the way you think? Or what drives the choices you make every day in your work, your relationships, your leadership?</p><p>In this episode of the <em>Spirituality in Leadership </em>podcast, host Andrew Cohn speaks with Pablo Sillas Domínguez, a human relations executive and author of<em> Heartset.</em> Pablo shares his powerful personal journey from being a successful but workaholic HR director, whom he describes as the "wolf" of his own family, to embarking on a profound spiritual and transformational path.</p><p>The catalyst for this change was a pivotal question from a coach: "Do you know why you think the way you think?" This launched Pablo on a years-long journey of introspection, unlearning, and integrating his reason with his emotions and intuition. He explains that this personal awakening mirrors a larger societal issue, where a hyper-competitive, ego-driven mindset has led to widespread stress and disconnection.</p><p>Pablo introduces key concepts from his book, including "field thoughts," (the fusion of feeling and thinking), "charisms," (spiritual gifts), and “meditaction,” (combining meditation with action for the common good). He argues for bringing vulnerability and our whole selves into the workplace, moving from seeing people as disposable resources to recognizing them as indispensable individuals. The conversation offers a practical and aspirational framework for leaders to cultivate purpose, meaning, and healthier organizations.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>From ego to essence: Real transformation begins by asking honest questions about why we think and feel the way we do.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Three pillars of being: Growth requires balance between reason, emotion, and intuition.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>The Heartset framework: Shifting from competition to awareness creates space for genuine connection and shared purpose.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Unlearning to become: Letting go of old patterns and roles reveals authenticity and freedom.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Vulnerability as strength: Honest openness builds empathy, trust, and deeper relationships in the workplace.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Field thoughts and tharisms: Spiritual practices that turn personal growth into collective uplift.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Meditation in action: True mindfulness lives in behavior, not just reflection.</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>In This Episode:</strong><br /></p><ul><li></li><li>[00:01] Pablo’s awakening and spiritual transformation</li><li></li><li>[03:27] Early career, success, and lessons from overwork</li><li></li><li>[06:45] Realizing the cost of ego-driven ambition</li><li></li><li>[08:15] The question that changed everything</li><li></li><li>[10:01] Learning to feel, listen, and grow through awareness</li><li></li><li>[12:25] The system and cultural conditioning of the ego</li><li></li><li>[14:13] The missing half of human competencies</li><li></li><li>[16:30] The path from ego to self to integration</li><li></li><li>[18:14] Understanding “tharisms” and spiritual gifts</li><li></li><li>[20:47] Unlearning to be yourself</li><li></li><li>[23:10] Living authenticity within corporate systems</li><li></li><li>[25:20] Vulnerability and seniority as mature leadership</li><li></li><li>[28:26] Building trust through empathy</li><li></li><li>[32:10] Introducing “field thoughts” and new paradigms for culture</li><li></li><li>[39:19] Meditation and the call to act with awareness</li><li></li><li>[42:11] Music, food, and creativity as channels for connection</li><li></li><li>[45:12] Where to find Pablo’s book and playlists</li><li>[46:23] Closing reflections<br /><strong>Resources and Links</strong></li><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Pablo Sillas Domínguez</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://pablosillas.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em>https://pablosillas.com/</em></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/pablosillas/?locale=en_US" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/pablosillas/?locale=en_US</a></p></li><li><p>Book by Pablo Sillas Domínguez<em>:</em><a href="https://www.amazon.com.mx/dp/B0DGHBMPDM?ref=cm_sw_r_apin_dp_SYT157ZFXNZSZXPX7FS3&amp;ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_dp_SYT157ZFXNZSZXPX7FS3&amp;social_share=cm_sw_r_apin_dp_SYT157ZFXNZSZXPX7FS3&amp;language=es-MX" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em> Heartset: The Renaissance 2.0 of Sapiens and Conscious Organizations</em></a></p></li><li><p>Heartset: <a href="https://a.co/d/2Z0MqN6" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://a.co/d/2Z0MqN6</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p></ul><ul><li>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a><br /></li></ul> no00:47:10Between Mindset and Heartset: The Unseen Journey of Becoming Whole, with Pablo Sillas Domínguez full    <![CDATA[Finding Grace in the Ashes: A Coach’s Journey Through Fire and Wisdom, with Stephen McGhee]]>Did you know that being truly present can impact your surroundings as much as an athlete's performance on the field? In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, Andrew Cohn sits down with longtime friend, colleague, and leadership coach Stephen McGhee for a conversation about presence, wisdom, and leading from the inside out. Rather than offering formulas or techniques, Stephen shares a way of being, one rooted in listening, humility, and what he calls “keeping altitude.”

    The conversation explores how spirituality shows up in leadership without being imposed through language or labels. Stephen introduces his idea of a “ladder of consciousness,” where service and love sit at the highest rungs, and explains why leaders do more good when they resist inflicting their own beliefs and instead stay curious about how others experience meaning and integrity.

    A central theme is presence. Stephen reflects on how presence itself “pays,” not as a transaction, but because whatever we carry emotionally and spiritually gets transmitted into rooms, relationships, and decisions. Leaders, he suggests, shape outcomes simply by how present, grounded, and authentic they are.

    Stephen also shares his personal experience of losing his home in the Pacific Palisades fires. He speaks candidly about grief, rejecting “toxic positivity,” and honoring the importance of process, allowing pain, meaning, and gratitude to unfold in their own time. Through this story, the principles of presence, listening, and acceptance become real and lived.

    If you've faced unexpected hardship or seek ways to integrate spirituality practically into leadership and life, this episode is a must-listen.


    Key Takeaways

    • Presence Pays: Authentic presence transmits energy and value; it's contagious and foundational to effective leadership and relationships.

    • Avoid Inflicting Language: Honor others' spirituality without imposing your own vernacular, keep "altitude" for genuine connection.

    • Listening as Mastery: True listening includes content, context, and inner self-awareness to respond freshly, not reactively.

    • Process Over Bypass: Grieve fully and avoid toxic positivity; proper processing turns pain into learning and strength.

    • Use Everything for Advancement: Cooperate with what is, accept without judgment, and trust that challenges contribute to soul growth.

    • Gratitude in the Present: Life's impermanence awakens deeper appreciation for moments, relationships, and unfolding grace.


    In This Episode:

    • [00:00] Opening on spiritual guidance and not inflicting language

    • [00:29] The ladder of consciousness and keeping altitude

    • [02:38] How Andrew and Stephen met; shared spiritual community

    • [04:16] Stephen's corporate roots and shift to soul-aligned leadership

    • [07:34] Practical principles for inclusive spiritual conversations

    • [10:34] Presence pays and what that really means

    • [12:27] Authenticity in presence; impact on others

    • [14:18] Getting present before conversations

    • [15:41] The power of deep listening (content, context, inner)

    • [18:18] Avoiding labels and prejudice for better connection

    • [21:41] The Palisades Fire: Evacuation and immediate aftermath

    • [23:56] Toxic positivity vs. healthy processing

    • [26:44] Acceptance, grieving, and timing

    • [28:30] Returning to the site; small victories amid loss

    • [30:38] A profound sunset experience from the ashes

    • [35:38] Where to find Stephen's work


    Resources and Links

    Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

    Stephen McGhee

    Andrew Cohn

    Music: 


    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Finding-Grace-in-the-Ashes-A-Coachs-Journey-Through-Fire-and-Wisdom--with-Stephen-McGhee-e3eqpd4759bee81-735b-4310-a5ca-f87f4fb66a90Tue, 27 Jan 2026 23:44:00 GMT<p>Did you know that being truly present can impact your surroundings as much as an athlete's performance on the field? In this episode of <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em>, Andrew Cohn sits down with longtime friend, colleague, and leadership coach Stephen McGhee for a conversation about presence, wisdom, and leading from the inside out. Rather than offering formulas or techniques, Stephen shares a way of being, one rooted in listening, humility, and what he calls “keeping altitude.”</p><p>The conversation explores how spirituality shows up in leadership without being imposed through language or labels. Stephen introduces his idea of a “ladder of consciousness,” where service and love sit at the highest rungs, and explains why leaders do more good when they resist inflicting their own beliefs and instead stay curious about how others experience meaning and integrity.</p><p>A central theme is presence. Stephen reflects on how presence itself “pays,” not as a transaction, but because whatever we carry emotionally and spiritually gets transmitted into rooms, relationships, and decisions. Leaders, he suggests, shape outcomes simply by how present, grounded, and authentic they are.</p><p>Stephen also shares his personal experience of losing his home in the Pacific Palisades fires. He speaks candidly about grief, rejecting “toxic positivity,” and honoring the importance of process, allowing pain, meaning, and gratitude to unfold in their own time. Through this story, the principles of presence, listening, and acceptance become real and lived.</p><p>If you've faced unexpected hardship or seek ways to integrate spirituality practically into leadership and life, this episode is a must-listen.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Presence Pays: Authentic presence transmits energy and value; it's contagious and foundational to effective leadership and relationships.</p></li><li><p>Avoid Inflicting Language: Honor others' spirituality without imposing your own vernacular, keep "altitude" for genuine connection.</p></li><li><p>Listening as Mastery: True listening includes content, context, and inner self-awareness to respond freshly, not reactively.</p></li><li><p>Process Over Bypass: Grieve fully and avoid toxic positivity; proper processing turns pain into learning and strength.</p></li><li><p>Use Everything for Advancement: Cooperate with what is, accept without judgment, and trust that challenges contribute to soul growth.</p></li><li><p>Gratitude in the Present: Life's impermanence awakens deeper appreciation for moments, relationships, and unfolding grace.</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:00] Opening on spiritual guidance and not inflicting language</p></li><li><p>[00:29] The ladder of consciousness and keeping altitude</p></li><li><p>[02:38] How Andrew and Stephen met; shared spiritual community</p></li><li><p>[04:16] Stephen's corporate roots and shift to soul-aligned leadership</p></li><li><p>[07:34] Practical principles for inclusive spiritual conversations</p></li><li><p>[10:34] Presence pays and what that really means</p></li><li><p>[12:27] Authenticity in presence; impact on others</p></li><li><p>[14:18] Getting present before conversations</p></li><li><p>[15:41] The power of deep listening (content, context, inner)</p></li><li><p>[18:18] Avoiding labels and prejudice for better connection</p></li><li><p>[21:41] The Palisades Fire: Evacuation and immediate aftermath</p></li><li><p>[23:56] Toxic positivity vs. healthy processing</p></li><li><p>[26:44] Acceptance, grieving, and timing</p></li><li><p>[28:30] Returning to the site; small victories amid loss</p></li><li><p>[30:38] A profound sunset experience from the ashes</p></li><li><p>[35:38] Where to find Stephen's work</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Stephen McGhee</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.mcgheeleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.mcgheeleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmcgheeleadership/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmcgheeleadership/</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p> no00:37:48Finding Grace in the Ashes: A Coach’s Journey Through Fire and Wisdom, with Stephen McGheefull    <![CDATA[The C.L.E.A.R. Path: A Framework for Getting Unstuck in Leadership, with Dacia Moore]]>What if the secret to becoming an unstoppable leader in this chaotic and noisy world wasn’t about pushing harder, but about slowing down long enough to hear that still, small voice inside you? In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn chats with Dacia Moore, a transformational speaker, counselor, and former nonprofit executive director who knows firsthand what it means to lead from a place of faith and renewal.

    Dacia opens up about her journey from the corporate and education worlds into the mental health space, where she found her true calling to help others move from burnout to breakthrough. She also shares insights from her inspiring book From Stuck to Unstoppable, where she guides readers to overcome fear, rediscover purpose, and build the courage to move forward with faith and clarity.

    Throughout the conversation, Dacia introduces her C.L.E.A.R. framework: Clarify, Learn, Expose, Align, and Replace. It’s a practical tool that helps leaders reconnect with who they are, silence the noise, and lead with authenticity. She and Andrew also talk about the value of “margin time,” those quiet, intentional pauses that allow us to step back, reflect, and make wiser decisions.

    This episode is a heartfelt reminder that leadership isn’t just about doing more. It’s about creating space to listen, grow, and let your inner wisdom lead the way.


    Key Takeaways

    • Spiritual Awakening Through Adversity: Dacia’s divorce became the catalyst for her spiritual and professional rebirth, inspiring her to help others navigate pain with faith and purpose.

    • Faith as a North Star: Integrity, consistency, and inner guidance, what she calls listening to the Holy Spirit, are the foundation of resilient leadership.

    • Leadership is an Inside Job: Your internal state, managing burnout, self-doubt, and overwhelm, directly impacts your effectiveness and the well-being of your team.

    • Listen to Your Inner Voice: Whether you call it the Holy Spirit, intuition, or a gut feeling, learning to heed that "still, small voice" is a non-negotiable skill for wise decision-making.

    • The CLEAR Framework: Dacia’s CLEAR framework (Clarify, Learn, Expose, Align, Replace) guides leaders to assess where they are, unlearn limiting beliefs, and cultivate habits that align with abundance and authenticity.


    In This Episode:

    • [00:01] Dacia’s early career in hospitality and sales

    • [00:28] Transition to mental health and education

    • [01:01] Podcast introduction

    • [03:10] Dacia’s leadership background and family influence

    • [04:42] Lessons on leadership styles and personal growth

    • [07:21] Professional journey: retail, hospitality, education, nonprofit

    • [09:05] Entering the mental health nonprofit sector

    • [12:07] Spirituality and integrity in leadership

    • [13:39] Burnout, listening to inner voice, and career transitions

    • [15:50] Inclusivity in spirituality and the inner voice

    • [19:15] Rediscovering self and purpose

    • [21:32] Current work: coaching, consulting, and book

    • [24:28] The journey from stuck to unstoppable

    • [29:00] The CLEAR framework for leadership development

    • [31:57] Resources and ways to connect

    • [33:20] Nonprofit sector challenges and hope

    • [36:16] The importance of discernment and inner wisdom

    • [36:45] Practical spirituality and quieting the mind

    • [38:39] Tactics for breaking out of busyness

    • [41:35] Closing remarks and contact information


    Resources and Links

    Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

    Dacia Moore

    Andrew Cohn

    Music: 


    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/The-C-L-E-A-R--Path-A-Framework-for-Getting-Unstuck-in-Leadership--with-Dacia-Moore-e3bcldp71f912e3-4733-44c8-931c-c7c268755171Wed, 05 Nov 2025 03:45:00 GMT<p>What if the secret to becoming an unstoppable leader in this chaotic and noisy world wasn’t about pushing harder, but about slowing down long enough to hear that still, small voice inside you? In this episode of <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em>, host Andrew Cohn chats with Dacia Moore, a transformational speaker, counselor, and former nonprofit executive director who knows firsthand what it means to lead from a place of faith and renewal.</p><p>Dacia opens up about her journey from the corporate and education worlds into the mental health space, where she found her true calling to help others move from burnout to breakthrough. She also shares insights from her inspiring book<em> From Stuck to Unstoppable</em>, where she guides readers to overcome fear, rediscover purpose, and build the courage to move forward with faith and clarity.</p><p>Throughout the conversation, Dacia introduces her C.L.E.A.R. framework: Clarify, Learn, Expose, Align, and Replace. It’s a practical tool that helps leaders reconnect with who they are, silence the noise, and lead with authenticity. She and Andrew also talk about the value of “margin time,” those quiet, intentional pauses that allow us to step back, reflect, and make wiser decisions.</p><p>This episode is a heartfelt reminder that leadership isn’t just about doing more. It’s about creating space to listen, grow, and let your inner wisdom lead the way.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Spiritual Awakening Through Adversity: Dacia’s divorce became the catalyst for her spiritual and professional rebirth, inspiring her to help others navigate pain with faith and purpose.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Faith as a North Star: Integrity, consistency, and inner guidance, what she calls listening to the Holy Spirit, are the foundation of resilient leadership.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Leadership is an Inside Job: Your internal state, managing burnout, self-doubt, and overwhelm, directly impacts your effectiveness and the well-being of your team.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Listen to Your Inner Voice: Whether you call it the Holy Spirit, intuition, or a gut feeling, learning to heed that "still, small voice" is a non-negotiable skill for wise decision-making.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>The CLEAR Framework: Dacia’s CLEAR framework (Clarify, Learn, Expose, Align, Replace) guides leaders to assess where they are, unlearn limiting beliefs, and cultivate habits that align with abundance and authenticity.</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>In This Episode:</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>[00:01] Dacia’s early career in hospitality and sales</p></li><li><p>[00:28] Transition to mental health and education</p></li><li><p>[01:01] Podcast introduction</p></li><li><p>[03:10] Dacia’s leadership background and family influence</p></li><li><p>[04:42] Lessons on leadership styles and personal growth</p></li><li><p>[07:21] Professional journey: retail, hospitality, education, nonprofit</p></li><li><p>[09:05] Entering the mental health nonprofit sector</p></li><li><p>[12:07] Spirituality and integrity in leadership</p></li><li><p>[13:39] Burnout, listening to inner voice, and career transitions</p></li><li><p>[15:50] Inclusivity in spirituality and the inner voice</p></li><li><p>[19:15] Rediscovering self and purpose</p></li><li><p>[21:32] Current work: coaching, consulting, and book</p></li><li><p>[24:28] The journey from stuck to unstoppable</p></li><li><p>[29:00] The CLEAR framework for leadership development</p></li><li><p>[31:57] Resources and ways to connect</p></li><li><p>[33:20] Nonprofit sector challenges and hope</p></li><li><p>[36:16] The importance of discernment and inner wisdom</p></li><li><p>[36:45] Practical spirituality and quieting the mind</p></li><li><p>[38:39] Tactics for breaking out of busyness</p></li><li><p>[41:35] Closing remarks and contact information</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406⁠</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Dacia Moore</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website:<a href="https://www.secondwindcc.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">⁠https://www.secondwindcc.com/⁠</a></p></li><li><p>Personal Site:<a href="https://www.daciamoore.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">⁠https://www.daciamoore.com/⁠</a></p></li><li><p>Newsletter:<a href="https://www.swsnippet.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">⁠ https://www.swsnippet.com/⁠</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/daciamooreswcc" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/daciamooreswcc⁠</a></p></li><li><p>Book:<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Stuck-Unstoppable-Strategies-Getting-Second/dp/B0FJ2Y6FLJ" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">⁠<em> From Stuck to Unstoppable</em>⁠</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">⁠https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/⁠</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/⁠</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">⁠https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe⁠</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p> no00:43:01The C.L.E.A.R. Path: A Framework for Getting Unstuck in Leadership, with Dacia Moorefull    <![CDATA[ The Business of Being Alive: How Spirituality Fuels Innovation, with Kirk Souder]]>What if I told you that business, not government or nonprofits, has the greatest potential to change the world? And what if the secret to unlocking that power is not in working harder but in becoming more alive?

    In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Kirk Souder, a seasoned branding leader and executive coach, to explore how spirituality is the missing gear for unprecedented creativity and impact in the business world.

    Kirk argues that business, as the most influential sector in society, has a profound potential to create change, but it is stuck in a lower gear of creation. He shares how moving from a paradigm of "availability" (what already exists) to one of "creation" (what's possible) unlocks a higher level of innovation. Drawing on wisdom from Howard Thurman and Joseph Campbell, Kirk makes a compelling case that the world does not need more hustle; it needs more people who are fully alive.

    Throughout the conversation, Kirk shares powerful stories, including how a client at Mattel trusted her sense of aliveness to spearhead the diversification of the Barbie doll, a move that laid the groundwork for the cultural phenomenon of the Barbie movie. He and Andrew also delve into the practical neuroanatomy of creativity, explaining how shifting from fear-based "shoulds" to curiosity and aliveness activates the brain's "dispersed mode" for breakthrough ideas.

    This episode is an invitation to run the experiment and see what happens when you trust your inner compass, let go of outdated identities, and lead from a place of genuine aliveness.


    Key Takeaways

    • Business as a Force for Change: Today’s corporations have unprecedented power to create transformation if they connect to a higher purpose.

    • The Aliveness Compass: Spirituality, stripped of labels, simply means orienting around what brings you alive and allowing that energy to guide your work.

    • Run the Experiment: Replace fear-based decision-making with curiosity. See what happens when you lead with trust and authenticity.

    • The Barbie Case Study: True innovation begins when leaders align their personal purpose with their organization’s mission.

    • Nature as a Teacher: Like redwoods letting go of lower branches to reach the light, leaders must release what no longer serves in order to grow.

    • The Paradigm Shift: Move from scarcity (What’s available?) to creation (What’s possible?). That is where innovation truly begins.

    • Spirituality in Action: It is not about rituals; it is a way of being that fuels creativity, purpose, and connection in every decision.


      In This Episode:

      • [00:00] Opening reflections on spirituality in business

      • [01:23] Meet Kirk Souder: from branding to coaching

      • [04:16] The intersection of spirituality and business

      • [06:55] Rethinking business purpose through aliveness

      • [09:57] Howard Thurman’s wisdom and inner guidance

      • [10:45] Running the experiment and leading with trust

      • [12:31] The Barbie story: purpose in corporate creativity

      • [16:31] Neuroscience of curiosity and innovation

      • [19:34] Creating joy as a driver of change

      • [22:39] Lessons from nature and redwoods

      • [24:29] Rethinking identity and organizational purpose

      • [29:03] Emergent strategy and natural systems

      • [31:27] From scarcity to creation paradigm

      • [34:06] Living vision and designing from feeling

      • [35:15] The “S” word (spirituality) and “F” word (feelings)

      • [37:39] Rediscovering purpose beyond success

      • [40:57] The Barbie effect and the Microsoft mindset shift

      • [44:33] Nature’s perfection in innovation and efficiency

      • [46:01] The call to live and lead from aliveness



      Resources and Links

      Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

      Kirk Souder

      Andrew Cohn

      Music: 


    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/The-Business-of-Being-Alive-How-Spirituality-Fuels-Innovation--with-Kirk-Souder-e2svkplW38TZAR22Thu, 06 Jun 2024 10:00:00 GMT<p>What if I told you that business, not government or nonprofits, has the greatest potential to change the world? And what if the secret to unlocking that power is not in working harder but in becoming more alive?</p><p>In this episode of <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em>, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Kirk Souder, a seasoned branding leader and executive coach, to explore how spirituality is the missing gear for unprecedented creativity and impact in the business world.</p><p>Kirk argues that business, as the most influential sector in society, has a profound potential to create change, but it is stuck in a lower gear of creation. He shares how moving from a paradigm of "availability" (what already exists) to one of "creation" (what's possible) unlocks a higher level of innovation. Drawing on wisdom from Howard Thurman and Joseph Campbell, Kirk makes a compelling case that the world does not need more hustle; it needs more people who are fully alive.</p><p>Throughout the conversation, Kirk shares powerful stories, including how a client at Mattel trusted her sense of aliveness to spearhead the diversification of the Barbie doll, a move that laid the groundwork for the cultural phenomenon of the Barbie movie. He and Andrew also delve into the practical neuroanatomy of creativity, explaining how shifting from fear-based "shoulds" to curiosity and aliveness activates the brain's "dispersed mode" for breakthrough ideas.</p><p>This episode is an invitation to run the experiment and see what happens when you trust your inner compass, let go of outdated identities, and lead from a place of genuine aliveness.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p><strong>Business as a Force for Change:</strong> Today’s corporations have unprecedented power to create transformation if they connect to a higher purpose.<br /></p></li><li><p><strong>The Aliveness Compass:</strong> Spirituality, stripped of labels, simply means orienting around what brings you alive and allowing that energy to guide your work.<br /></p></li><li><p><strong>Run the Experiment:</strong> Replace fear-based decision-making with curiosity. See what happens when you lead with trust and authenticity.<br /></p></li><li><p><strong>The Barbie Case Study:</strong> True innovation begins when leaders align their personal purpose with their organization’s mission.<br /></p></li><li><p><strong>Nature as a Teacher:</strong> Like redwoods letting go of lower branches to reach the light, leaders must release what no longer serves in order to grow.<br /></p></li><li><p><strong>The Paradigm Shift:</strong> Move from scarcity (What’s available?) to creation (What’s possible?). That is where innovation truly begins.<br /></p></li><li><p><strong>Spirituality in Action:</strong> It is not about rituals; it is a way of being that fuels creativity, purpose, and connection in every decision.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:00] Opening reflections on spirituality in business</p></li><li><p>[01:23] Meet Kirk Souder: from branding to coaching</p></li><li><p>[04:16] The intersection of spirituality and business</p></li><li><p>[06:55] Rethinking business purpose through aliveness</p></li><li><p>[09:57] Howard Thurman’s wisdom and inner guidance</p></li><li><p>[10:45] Running the experiment and leading with trust</p></li><li><p>[12:31] The Barbie story: purpose in corporate creativity</p></li><li><p>[16:31] Neuroscience of curiosity and innovation</p></li><li><p>[19:34] Creating joy as a driver of change</p></li><li><p>[22:39] Lessons from nature and redwoods</p></li><li><p>[24:29] Rethinking identity and organizational purpose</p></li><li><p>[29:03] Emergent strategy and natural systems</p></li><li><p>[31:27] From scarcity to creation paradigm</p></li><li><p>[34:06] Living vision and designing from feeling</p></li><li><p>[35:15] The “S” word (spirituality) and “F” word (feelings)</p></li><li><p>[37:39] Rediscovering purpose beyond success</p></li><li><p>[40:57] The Barbie effect and the Microsoft mindset shift</p></li><li><p>[44:33] Nature’s perfection in innovation and efficiency</p></li><li><p>[46:01] The call to live and lead from aliveness</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</u></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Kirk Souder</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website:<a href="https://kirksouder.co/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://kirksouder.co/</u></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kirksouder/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/kirksouder/</u></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</u></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</u></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p></li></ul> no00:52:10 The Business of Being Alive: How Spirituality Fuels Innovation, with Kirk Souderfull    <![CDATA[Leading from Within: Harnessing Intuition and Spirituality for Powerful Leadership, with Alicia Rodriguez ]]>What if the most effective and fulfilled leaders aren’t just those with the sharpest strategies or the best data, but those who tap into something deeper—something instinctive? Could the true power of leadership lie in embracing intuition, somatic awareness, and the ability to create nurturing environments? What if leadership goes beyond tactics and dives into the realm of self-awareness, authenticity, and inner wisdom?


    In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn and Alicia Rodriguez, a coach and consultant based in the Algarve, Portugal, discuss the profound integration of spirituality in leadership. Alicia shares her expertise on how leaders can cultivate intuition and somatic awareness guiding them through experiential learning in nature and using innovative tools like sound healing and creative exercises. Together, Andrew and Alicia explore how these practices can help leaders not only embody their values but also navigate challenges with greater clarity, confidence, and impact.


    Alicia reflects on her transformative journey in Ecuador, where she learned from a shaman, and she touches on the insights found in her book, The Shaman’s Wife. Alicia also emphasizes the vital importance of rest, stillness, and creating the right conditions for success, all while inspiring personal and professional transformation.




    Key Takeaways

    • The significance of intuition and somatic awareness in leadership.

    • The impact of immersing ourselves in nature on developing intuitive abilities.

    • The importance of congruence between a leader's values and actions.

    • The use of experiential learning in nature to enhance self-awareness.

    • Incorporation of healing modalities, such as sound therapy, in leadership coaching.

    • The concept of "Becoming Limitless" and transcending self-imposed limits.

    • The necessity of granting permission for emotional expression and authenticity.

    The transformative power of creative exploration and reframing perspectives on challenges.

    In This Episode:


    • (00:00:00) – Understanding intuition

    • (00:00:20) – Nurturing intuition

    • (00:00:35) – Podcast introduction

    • (00:01:09) – Meet Alicia

    • (00:01:33) – Value of intuition

    • (00:02:43) – Somatic awareness

    • (00:03:50) – Indigenous wisdom

    • (00:04:01) – Spirituality and leadership

    • (00:06:44) – Inner and outer games

    • (00:07:01) – Congruence in leadership

    • (00:08:39) – Examples of incongruence

    • (00:11:02) – Personal story

    • (00:14:06) – Honoring dreams

    • (00:15:18) – Greater awareness

    • (00:19:14) – Sensing and leadership

    • (00:21:12) – Developing intuition

    • (00:21:56) – Becoming limitless

    • (00:23:07) – Nature as a collaborator

    • (00:24:29) – Opening up to new experiences

    • (00:25:07) – Getting out of our heads

    • (00:25:56) – Permission to access senses

    • (00:27:54) – Curiosity and limitless possibilities

    • (00:28:39) – Imagination over knowledge

    • (00:29:06) – Emotional transformation

    • (00:29:52) – The importance of rest in leadership

    • (00:31:07) – Catalysts for personal reflection

    • (00:32:06) – Introduction to the book

    • (00:32:18) – Personal loss and career disillusionment

    • (00:34:23) – Meeting the shaman

    • (00:35:27) – Creating conditions for success

    • (00:38:11) – The book's availability

    • (00:39:08) – Sharing essays and writing

    • (00:40:48) – Closing remarks on wisdom sharing

    • (00:41:10) – Podcast conclusion


    Resources and Links

    Spirituality in Leadership Podcast



    Alicia Rodriguez


    Andrew Cohn


    Music: 




    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Leading-from-Within-Harnessing-Intuition-and-Spirituality-for-Powerful-Leadership--with-Alicia-Rodriguez-e2vho6uc467169c-512e-46db-a806-0ec21fcf9c55Tue, 11 Feb 2025 23:36:00 GMT<p>What if the most effective and fulfilled leaders aren’t just those with the sharpest strategies or the best data, but those who tap into something deeper—something instinctive? Could the true power of leadership lie in embracing intuition, somatic awareness, and the ability to create nurturing environments? What if leadership goes beyond tactics and dives into the realm of self-awareness, authenticity, and inner wisdom?</p><p><br /></p><p>In this episode of the <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em> podcast, host Andrew Cohn and Alicia Rodriguez, a coach and consultant based in the Algarve, Portugal, discuss the profound integration of spirituality in leadership. Alicia shares her expertise on how leaders can cultivate intuition and somatic awareness guiding them through experiential learning in nature and using innovative tools like sound healing and creative exercises. Together, Andrew and Alicia explore how these practices can help leaders not only embody their values but also navigate challenges with greater clarity, confidence, and impact.</p><p><br /></p><p>Alicia reflects on her transformative journey in Ecuador, where she learned from a shaman, and she touches on the insights found in her book, <em>The Shaman’s Wife</em>. Alicia also emphasizes the vital importance of rest, stillness, and creating the right conditions for success, all while inspiring personal and professional transformation.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul> <li><p>The significance of intuition and somatic awareness in leadership.</p></li></ul><ul> <li><p>The impact of immersing ourselves in nature on developing intuitive abilities.</p></li></ul><ul> <li><p>The importance of congruence between a leader's values and actions.</p></li></ul><ul> <li><p>The use of experiential learning in nature to enhance self-awareness.</p></li></ul><ul> <li><p>Incorporation of healing modalities, such as sound therapy, in leadership coaching.</p></li></ul><ul> <li><p>The concept of "Becoming Limitless" and transcending self-imposed limits.</p></li></ul><ul> <li><p>The necessity of granting permission for emotional expression and authenticity.</p></li></ul><p>The transformative power of creative exploration and reframing perspectives on challenges.<br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong><br /></p><ul> </ul><ul> <li><br /></li><li>(00:00:00) – Understanding intuition</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:00:20) – Nurturing intuition</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:00:35) – Podcast introduction</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:01:09) – Meet Alicia</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:01:33) – Value of intuition</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:02:43) – Somatic awareness</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:03:50) – Indigenous wisdom</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:04:01) – Spirituality and leadership</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:06:44) – Inner and outer games</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:07:01) – Congruence in leadership</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:08:39) – Examples of incongruence</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:11:02) – Personal story</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:14:06) – Honoring dreams</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:15:18) – Greater awareness</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:19:14) – Sensing and leadership</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:21:12) – Developing intuition</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:21:56) – Becoming limitless</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:23:07) – Nature as a collaborator</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:24:29) – Opening up to new experiences</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:25:07) – Getting out of our heads</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:25:56) – Permission to access senses</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:27:54) – Curiosity and limitless possibilities</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:28:39) – Imagination over knowledge</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:29:06) – Emotional transformation</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:29:52) – The importance of rest in leadership</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:31:07) – Catalysts for personal reflection</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:32:06) – Introduction to the book</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:32:18) – Personal loss and career disillusionment</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:34:23) – Meeting the shaman</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:35:27) – Creating conditions for success</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:38:11) – The book's availability</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:39:08) – Sharing essays and writing</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:40:48) – Closing remarks on wisdom sharing</li> <li><br /></li><li>(00:41:10) – Podcast conclusion</li></ul><p><br /><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul> <li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Spirituality in Leadership</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Alicia Rodriguez</strong></p><ul> <li><p>Website: <a href="https://aliciamrodriguez.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://aliciamrodriguez.com/</a></p></li> <li><p>Instagram:<a href="https://www.instagram.com/msaliciamrodriguez/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/msaliciamrodriguez/</a></p></li> <li><p>Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/MsAliciaMRodriguez/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/MsAliciaMRodriguez/</a></p></li> <li><p>Book<strong>:</strong><a href="https://aliciamrodriguez.com/the-shamans-wife" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://aliciamrodriguez.com/the-shamans-wife</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul> <li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li> <li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul> <li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p> no00:41:47Leading from Within: Harnessing Intuition and Spirituality for Powerful Leadership, with Alicia Rodriguez full    <![CDATA[ The Awakened Heart in the Boardroom: Where Soul Talk Meets Strategy, with Russell Bishop]]>How often do we pause to ask ourselves, “Who am I?” or notice where our focus really is before making a choice? Can we find purpose not as a destination but as a gentle unfolding, and recognize that real power lies not in control, but in the ability to choose again and again?

    In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Russell Bishop to explore the intersection of leadership, personal transformation, and choice. Russell is a veteran leader in personal and organizational development, creator of Insight Seminars, and author of Workarounds That Work and From Self-Talk to Soul Talk. His work has impacted over a million people across 43 countries, guiding leaders and teams toward clarity, alignment, and purpose. Rather than pushing for dramatic change, he invites leaders to consider something subtler and more powerful: alignment with purpose.

    Together, they unpack the difference between decisions and choices, between chasing outcomes and understanding the experience we’re truly seeking. Russell offers compelling examples from aerospace, healthcare, and corporate strategy to show how clarity of purpose unlocks creativity, collaboration, and momentum, often in places where progress once felt impossible.

    At the heart of the episode is a simple but radical idea: real power comes from recognizing our ability to choose and choose again. When leaders learn to listen beyond self-talk and tune into what Russell calls “soul talk,” they create space for wiser action, deeper connection, and more humane organizations.

    This episode is an invitation to slow down, ask better questions, and lead from a place that’s both grounded and awake.


    Key Takeaways

    • Awakening is gentle: Lasting transformation and purpose emerge through inquiry by asking “Why does this matter?” not force or being told to wake up.

    • Choice Over Decision: Decisions often close doors; choices keep possibilities alive.

    • You are a transceiver: We constantly transmit and receive thoughts. The frequency with which we hold onto safety, possibility, or fear shapes teams and outcomes.

    • Self-Talk vs. Soul Talk: The loud inner voice reacts from fear, while the quieter voice leads from wisdom and alignment.

    • Reward the complainer: Complaints signal care. Inviting and rewarding constructive criticism turns resistance into innovation.

    In This Episode:

    • [00:00] Awakening and purpose

    • [01:32] Guest introduction: Russell Bishop

    • [02:53] Conversation setup and welcome

    • [04:01] Russell’s spiritual and activist background

    • [06:05] Self-talk vs. soul talk

    • [09:10] Awakening heart and transformation

    • [10:16] Personal to professional: consulting journey

    • [15:39] Purpose and fulfillment in modern times

    • [16:39] The five whys and deepening purpose

    • [17:57] Focus, choice, and empowerment

    • [21:22] Decision vs. choice

    • [23:20] Attachment to decisions and organizational behavior

    • [30:12] Leadership, orders, and redefining success

    • [31:14] Knowing when to quit: decision-making lessons

    • [32:15] Medical device partnership case study

    • [36:26] Fear vs. possibility and focus

    • [38:44] Tuning in: the power of focus and preparation

    • [44:02] Inner process and leadership support

    • [45:20] Seeing the invisible: inner vision and leadership

    • [48:49] Best practices and culture

    • [50:34] Call center encouraging contributions and rewarding complaints

    • [52:32] How to connect with Russell


    Resources and Links

    Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

    Russell Bishop

    Andrew Cohn

    Music: 


    Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/The-Awakened-Heart-in-the-Boardroom-Where-Soul-Talk-Meets-Strategy--with-Russell-Bishop-e3ftrpic935bcc3-9c08-4410-b01e-5262003e9976Wed, 11 Mar 2026 09:24:00 GMT<p>How often do we pause to ask ourselves, “Who am I?” or notice where our focus really is before making a choice? Can we find purpose not as a destination but as a gentle unfolding, and recognize that real power lies not in control, but in the ability to choose again and again?</p><p>In this episode of the<em> Spirituality in Leadership</em> podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Russell Bishop to explore the intersection of leadership, personal transformation, and choice. Russell is a veteran leader in personal and organizational development, creator of Insight Seminars, and author of <em>Workarounds That Work</em> and <em>From Self-Talk to Soul Talk</em>. His work has impacted over a million people across 43 countries, guiding leaders and teams toward clarity, alignment, and purpose. Rather than pushing for dramatic change, he invites leaders to consider something subtler and more powerful: alignment with purpose.</p><p>Together, they unpack the difference between decisions and choices, between chasing outcomes and understanding the experience we’re truly seeking. Russell offers compelling examples from aerospace, healthcare, and corporate strategy to show how clarity of purpose unlocks creativity, collaboration, and momentum, often in places where progress once felt impossible.</p><p>At the heart of the episode is a simple but radical idea: real power comes from recognizing our ability to choose and choose again. When leaders learn to listen beyond self-talk and tune into what Russell calls “soul talk,” they create space for wiser action, deeper connection, and more humane organizations.</p><p>This episode is an invitation to slow down, ask better questions, and lead from a place that’s both grounded and awake.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Key Takeaways</strong></p><ul><li><p>Awakening is gentle: Lasting transformation and purpose emerge through inquiry by asking “Why does this matter?” not force or being told to wake up.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Choice Over Decision: Decisions often close doors; choices keep possibilities alive.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>You are a transceiver: We constantly transmit and receive thoughts. The frequency with which we hold onto safety, possibility, or fear shapes teams and outcomes.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Self-Talk vs. Soul Talk: The loud inner voice reacts from fear, while the quieter voice leads from wisdom and alignment.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Reward the complainer: Complaints signal care. Inviting and rewarding constructive criticism turns resistance into innovation.<br /></p></li></ul><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:00] Awakening and purpose</p></li><li><p>[01:32] Guest introduction: Russell Bishop</p></li><li><p>[02:53] Conversation setup and welcome</p></li><li><p>[04:01] Russell’s spiritual and activist background</p></li><li><p>[06:05] Self-talk vs. soul talk</p></li><li><p>[09:10] Awakening heart and transformation</p></li><li><p>[10:16] Personal to professional: consulting journey</p></li><li><p>[15:39] Purpose and fulfillment in modern times</p></li><li><p>[16:39] The five whys and deepening purpose</p></li><li><p>[17:57] Focus, choice, and empowerment</p></li><li><p>[21:22] Decision vs. choice</p></li><li><p>[23:20] Attachment to decisions and organizational behavior</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>[30:12] Leadership, orders, and redefining success</p></li><li><p>[31:14] Knowing when to quit: decision-making lessons</p></li><li><p>[32:15] Medical device partnership case study</p></li><li><p>[36:26] Fear vs. possibility and focus</p></li><li><p>[38:44] Tuning in: the power of focus and preparation</p></li><li><p>[44:02] Inner process and leadership support</p></li><li><p>[45:20] Seeing the invisible: inner vision and leadership</p></li><li><p>[48:49] Best practices and culture</p></li><li><p>[50:34] Call center encouraging contributions and rewarding complaints</p></li><li><p>[52:32] How to connect with Russell</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Resources and Links</strong><br /></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Russell Bishop</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.russellbishop.com" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.russellbishop.com</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/russellbishop1" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/russellbishop1</a></p></li><li><p>Email: <a href="mailto:russell@russellbishop.com" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">russell@russellbishop.com</a></p></li><li><p>Russell's Latest Book:<em> </em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Self-Talk-Soul-Talk-Becoming-More-Truly/dp/1737957140" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em>From Self-Talk to Soul Talk: Being More of Who You Already Are</em></a></p></li><li><p>Russell's Previous Book:<em> </em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Workarounds-That-Work-Conquer-Anything-ebook/dp/B004GNFPDY" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em>Workarounds That Work</em></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><p><br />Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a><br /></p> no00:54:19 The Awakened Heart in the Boardroom: Where Soul Talk Meets Strategy, with Russell Bishopfull    <![CDATA[ Beyond Command and Control: The Rise of Transcendent Leadership, with Greg Stebbins]]>In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership Podcast, host Andrew Cohn speaks with Greg Stebbins, a pioneer in the intersection of spirituality, wisdom, and leadership. With decades of experience as a coach, consultant, and educator, Greg shares the importance of self-inquiry, values alignment, and transcendent leadership—an approach rooted in reflection, presence, and authentic connection.Greg reflects on his upbringing in a military family, his spiritual journey (inspired by his mother, “Swami Mommy”), and his path from sales and consulting to founding his leadership development practice. He emphasizes that true leadership requires ongoing wisdom development, aligning beliefs and values, and uncovering the authentic self beneath ego-driven facades.Together, Andrew and Greg explore how prayer, meditation, and contemplation foster clarity, how leaders can embody presence rather than simply perform it, and why younger generations are demanding congruence between words and actions in business. Their conversation weaves personal stories, practical tools, and deep reflections on what it means to lead from the inside out.Key Takeaways

    • Spirituality and wisdom are deeply connected, and leadership growth comes from developing inner wisdom.

    • Transcendent leadership goes beyond charisma and relies on authentic presence and self-awareness.

    • Gen Z leaders and employees expect alignment between words and actions, with little tolerance for hypocrisy.

    • Practices like prayer, meditation, and contemplation bring clarity to decision-making, emotions, and vision.

    • A leader’s values shape their organization’s purpose, making values alignment critical for trust and direction.

    • Genuine presence cannot be faked; it emerges naturally from compassion, empathy, and love.

    In This Episode:


    • [00:01] Historical connection between spirituality and wisdom
    • [01:00] Introducing the podcast and guest
    • [03:39] Greg’s background: military family and spiritual beginnings
    • [07:20] Professional path: sales, consulting, and leadership
    • [10:01] Shifts in business receptivity to spirituality
    • [11:42] Practices for integrating spirituality in leadership
    • [15:49] Wisdom through experience and self-inquiry
    • [19:06] Never-ending wisdom and interpersonal skills
    • [20:34] Defining meditation, contemplation, and prayer
    • [22:30] Values hierarchies and organizational alignment
    • [24:17] Ego vs. authentic self in leadership
    • [25:39] Charisma, presence, and holding space
    • [27:12] Generational learning and leadership evolution
    • [28:43] Ego’s role and command-and-control cultures
    • [29:08] Reconciling military upbringing with spiritual path
    • [33:27] Self-inquiry, self-reflection, and wisdom moments
    • [35:56] Challenges with 360-degree feedback
    • [39:36] Self-awareness and organizational alignment
    • [41:07] Respecting values and purpose in teams
    • [42:48] Closing and contact information
      Resources and Links

      • Spirituality in Leadership Podcast


      Gregg Stebbins


      Andrew Cohn


      Music: 

    • Kodiak: ⁠https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe
    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Beyond-Command-and-Control-The-Rise-of-Transcendent-Leadership--with-Greg-Stebbins-e38lbk7fb4cc67b-8151-4f67-be3a-30335105aea1Wed, 06 Aug 2025 13:22:00 GMT<p>In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership Podcast, host Andrew Cohn speaks with Greg Stebbins, a pioneer in the intersection of spirituality, wisdom, and leadership. With decades of experience as a coach, consultant, and educator, Greg shares the importance of self-inquiry, values alignment, and transcendent leadership—an approach rooted in reflection, presence, and authentic connection.Greg reflects on his upbringing in a military family, his spiritual journey (inspired by his mother, “Swami Mommy”), and his path from sales and consulting to founding his leadership development practice. He emphasizes that true leadership requires ongoing wisdom development, aligning beliefs and values, and uncovering the authentic self beneath ego-driven facades.Together, Andrew and Greg explore how prayer, meditation, and contemplation foster clarity, how leaders can embody presence rather than simply perform it, and why younger generations are demanding congruence between words and actions in business. Their conversation weaves personal stories, practical tools, and deep reflections on what it means to lead from the inside out.<strong>Key Takeaways</strong></p><ul><li><p>Spirituality and wisdom are deeply connected, and leadership growth comes from developing inner wisdom.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Transcendent leadership goes beyond charisma and relies on authentic presence and self-awareness.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Gen Z leaders and employees expect alignment between words and actions, with little tolerance for hypocrisy.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Practices like prayer, meditation, and contemplation bring clarity to decision-making, emotions, and vision.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>A leader’s values shape their organization’s purpose, making values alignment critical for trust and direction.</p></li></ul><ul><li>Genuine presence cannot be faked; it emerges naturally from compassion, empathy, and love.<br /></li></ul><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><p><br /></p><ul><li></li><li>[00:01] Historical connection between spirituality and wisdom</li><li></li><li>[01:00] Introducing the podcast and guest</li><li></li><li>[03:39] Greg’s background: military family and spiritual beginnings</li><li></li><li>[07:20] Professional path: sales, consulting, and leadership</li><li></li><li>[10:01] Shifts in business receptivity to spirituality</li><li></li><li>[11:42] Practices for integrating spirituality in leadership</li><li></li><li>[15:49] Wisdom through experience and self-inquiry</li><li></li><li>[19:06] Never-ending wisdom and interpersonal skills</li><li></li><li>[20:34] Defining meditation, contemplation, and prayer</li><li></li><li>[22:30] Values hierarchies and organizational alignment</li><li></li><li>[24:17] Ego vs. authentic self in leadership</li><li></li><li>[25:39] Charisma, presence, and holding space</li><li></li><li>[27:12] Generational learning and leadership evolution</li><li></li><li>[28:43] Ego’s role and command-and-control cultures</li><li></li><li>[29:08] Reconciling military upbringing with spiritual path</li><li></li><li>[33:27] Self-inquiry, self-reflection, and wisdom moments</li><li></li><li>[35:56] Challenges with 360-degree feedback</li><li></li><li>[39:36] Self-awareness and organizational alignment</li><li></li><li>[41:07] Respecting values and purpose in teams</li><li>[42:48] Closing and contact information<br /><strong>Resources and Links</strong></li><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Gregg Stebbins</strong></p><ul><li><p>Phone contact: (310) 433-5020</p></li><li><p>Website:<em> </em><a href="https://peoplesavvy.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://peoplesavvy.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregstebbins" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregstebbins</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><li>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">⁠https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a><br /></li></ul> no00:45:11 Beyond Command and Control: The Rise of Transcendent Leadership, with Greg Stebbinsfull    <![CDATA[Silence, Presence, and Inner Leadership, with María José Sánchez]]>What if the most powerful tool a leader has isn’t a strategy, a speech, or even a brilliant plan, but is instead silence? In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with María José Sánchez, a leadership consultant, executive coach, and author based in Madrid, Spain.

    During the conversation, María shares her fascinating journey from telecommunications engineer to leadership mentor, showing how she combines her analytical, scientific side with the deeper wisdom of silence and spirituality. She talks about how silence reshaped her leadership style, helping her move from being pushy and results-driven to leading with calm, presence, and authenticity. For her, true leadership impact begins from within, by taking time to pause, reconnect with yourself, and then return to the outside world with clarity, energy, and insight.

    She also introduces her idea of “spiritual snacks,” short pauses throughout the day to recharge and realign, and her “five-finger rule,” a practical tool for managing thoughts that reminds leaders to take ownership of their inner state, let go of unhelpful thinking, and focus on positivity, resilience, and trust.

    María highlights her books and her digital leadership platform, Lidero, which offers simple, accessible lessons from her decades of experience. This episode is an inspiring reminder that real leadership always starts from within.


    Key Takeaways

    • Leadership impact comes from the inside; silence fosters wisdom, clarity, and presence.

    • Experience precedes understanding; leaders must invite others into experiences, not just explanations.

    • Daily practices of silence, meditation, and “spiritual snacks” keep leaders grounded and energized.

    • Self-discipline is essential for freedom and sustained transformation, much like physical training.

    • Preparation is less about perfect words and more about the state of being a leader brings into the room.

    • True leadership is a virtuous cycle: inner stillness fuels outer effectiveness, which in turn deepens inner growth.


    In This Episode:

    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Silence--Presence--and-Inner-Leadership--with-Mara-Jos-Snchez-e39f01v2a8a4f6c-6242-4c00-ae02-d767e31122e8Wed, 20 Aug 2025 09:07:00 GMT<p>What if the most powerful tool a leader has isn’t a strategy, a speech, or even a brilliant plan, but is instead silence? In this episode of the <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em> podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with María José Sánchez, a leadership consultant, executive coach, and author based in Madrid, Spain.</p><p>During the conversation, María shares her fascinating journey from telecommunications engineer to leadership mentor, showing how she combines her analytical, scientific side with the deeper wisdom of silence and spirituality. She talks about how silence reshaped her leadership style, helping her move from being pushy and results-driven to leading with calm, presence, and authenticity. For her, true leadership impact begins from within, by taking time to pause, reconnect with yourself, and then return to the outside world with clarity, energy, and insight.</p><p>She also introduces her idea of “spiritual snacks,” short pauses throughout the day to recharge and realign, and her “five-finger rule,” a practical tool for managing thoughts that reminds leaders to take ownership of their inner state, let go of unhelpful thinking, and focus on positivity, resilience, and trust.</p><p>María highlights her books and her digital leadership platform, Lidero, which offers simple, accessible lessons from her decades of experience. This episode is an inspiring reminder that real leadership always starts from within.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Leadership impact comes from the inside; silence fosters wisdom, clarity, and presence.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Experience precedes understanding; leaders must invite others into experiences, not just explanations.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Daily practices of silence, meditation, and “spiritual snacks” keep leaders grounded and energized.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Self-discipline is essential for freedom and sustained transformation, much like physical training.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Preparation is less about perfect words and more about the state of being a leader brings into the room.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>True leadership is a virtuous cycle: inner stillness fuels outer effectiveness, which in turn deepens inner growth.</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>In This Episode:</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>[00:00] Introduction</p></li><li><p>[01:19] Introduction to María José Sánchez</p></li><li><p>[03:31] María's journey from engineering to leadership</p></li><li><p>[06:41] The power of silence in leadership</p></li><li><p>[10:25] Practical applications of inner wisdom</p></li><li><p>[14:56] Inviting leaders to experience inner wisdom</p></li><li><p>[18:34] Daily practices for inner connection</p></li><li><p>[23:36] The importance of inner state in conversations</p></li><li><p>[24:47] A magical moment with the CEO</p></li><li><p>[26:02] The role of preparation and presence</p></li><li><p>[26:51] Spirituality in leadership</p></li><li><p>[28:33] Self-discipline and daily practice</p></li><li><p>[32:45] Navigating change and uncertainty</p></li><li><p>[35:38] The five finger rule for managing thoughts</p></li><li><p>[39:32] María Jose's books and resources</p></li><li><p>[43:44] Conclusion and final thoughts</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>María José Sánchez</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://sanchezyago.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">sanchezyagoo.com</a></p></li><li><p>Leadership Consultancy: <a href="http://creatingahuman.com" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">creatingahuman.com</a></p></li><li><p>Leadership Platform: <a href="http://aceleratolead.com" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">aceleratolead.com</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariajosesanchezyago-leadershipadvisor/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">mariajosesanchezyago</a></p></li><li><p>Book shop: <a href="https://sanchezyago.com/product-list/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://sanchezyago.com/product-list/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p></li></ul> no00:44:59Silence, Presence, and Inner Leadership, with María José Sánchezfull    <![CDATA[Bridging Worlds: Spirituality, Leadership, and Workplace Transformation, with Judi Neal]]>In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Judi Neal, a pioneer in workplace spirituality and the force behind the Tyson Center for Faith and Spirituality and Edgewalkers International. Judi opens up about her personal journey, including her time at Honeywell, where she took a stand as a whistleblower—an experience that reshaped her understanding of integrity, trust, and spiritual resilience.

    Together, Andrew and Judi explore how spirituality can transform leadership and workplace culture, making organizations more compassionate, ethical, and inclusive. Drawing insights from her books Inspiring Workplace Spirituality, Edgewalkers, and Creating Enlightened Organizations, Judi shares practical ways to integrate faith and spirituality into daily work life—no matter your beliefs.

    This conversation is for anyone looking to lead with greater purpose, foster a more inclusive workplace, or simply navigate their career with a deeper sense of meaning. 


    Key Takeaways

    • Integration of spirituality into leadership and business practices

    • The concept of blessings in the workplace and recognizing inherent value

    • Personal experiences and stories related to workplace spirituality

    • The ethical dilemma faced by a whistleblower and its impact on personal values

    • The importance of aligning personal values with professional responsibilities

    • Fostering a culture of appreciation, trust, and community in organizations

    • The transformative power of spirituality in creating ethical and compassionate work environments

    • Impact of spirituality on leadership styles and organizational culture

    • The concept of "edge walkers" as individuals bridging material and spiritual worlds

    • Mindfulness and self-reflection as tools for effective leadership

    • Addressing skepticism and resistance to spirituality in professional contexts

    • Resources and frameworks for implementing spirituality in organizations


    In This Episode:

    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Bridging-Worlds-Spirituality--Leadership--and-Workplace-Transformation--with-Judi-Neal-e30bth88a55fe4f-71b4-40e6-b08a-fc46014a6ae0Wed, 26 Feb 2025 01:10:00 GMT<p>In this episode of <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em>, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Judi Neal, a pioneer in workplace spirituality and the force behind the Tyson Center for Faith and Spirituality and Edgewalkers International. Judi opens up about her personal journey, including her time at Honeywell, where she took a stand as a whistleblower—an experience that reshaped her understanding of integrity, trust, and spiritual resilience.</p><p>Together, Andrew and Judi explore how spirituality can transform leadership and workplace culture, making organizations more compassionate, ethical, and inclusive. Drawing insights from her books <em>Inspiring Workplace Spirituality</em>, <em>Edgewalkers</em>, and <em>Creating Enlightened Organizations</em>, Judi shares practical ways to integrate faith and spirituality into daily work life—no matter your beliefs.</p><p>This conversation is for anyone looking to lead with greater purpose, foster a more inclusive workplace, or simply navigate their career with a deeper sense of meaning. </p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Integration of spirituality into leadership and business practices</p></li><li><p>The concept of blessings in the workplace and recognizing inherent value</p></li><li><p>Personal experiences and stories related to workplace spirituality</p></li><li><p>The ethical dilemma faced by a whistleblower and its impact on personal values</p></li><li><p>The importance of aligning personal values with professional responsibilities</p></li><li><p>Fostering a culture of appreciation, trust, and community in organizations</p></li><li><p>The transformative power of spirituality in creating ethical and compassionate work environments</p></li><li><p>Impact of spirituality on leadership styles and organizational culture</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>The concept of "edge walkers" as individuals bridging material and spiritual worlds</p></li><li><p>Mindfulness and self-reflection as tools for effective leadership</p></li><li><p>Addressing skepticism and resistance to spirituality in professional contexts</p></li><li><p>Resources and frameworks for implementing spirituality in organizations</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>In This Episode:</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>(00:00:01) Introduction to appreciative inquiry  </p></li><li><p>(00:01:09) Introduction of Judi Neal  </p></li><li><p>(00:03:28) Reading from <em>Inspiring Workplace Spirituality</em></p></li><li><p>(00:04:48) Moment of silence  </p></li><li><p>(00:06:05) Concept of blessing  </p></li><li><p>(00:07:26) Transforming judgment to blessing  </p></li><li><p>(00:10:07) Impact of workplace negativity  </p></li><li><p>(00:10:52) Appreciative inquiry practice  </p></li><li><p>(00:11:00) Discussion on blessing and religion  </p></li><li><p>(00:12:39) Cultural creative study insights  </p></li><li><p>(00:14:45) Judi's journey into spirituality  </p></li><li><p>(00:15:49) Whistleblower experience at Honeywell  </p></li><li><p>(00:16:51) Moral dilemma in the workplace  </p></li><li><p>(00:20:46) Spiritual awakening  </p></li><li><p>(00:23:24) Consequences of whistleblowing  </p></li><li><p>(00:24:33) Spiritual awakening and connection </p></li><li><p>(00:26:35) Legal action against Honeywell  </p></li><li><p>(00:28:44) Teaching management and tokenism</p></li><li><p>(00:31:10) Common themes among leaders  </p></li><li><p>(00:33:23) Reception of spirituality in the workplace  </p></li><li><p>(00:33:49) Defining religion, spirituality, and faith  </p></li><li><p>(00:35:48) Building bridges between worldviews  </p></li><li><p>(00:39:14) Authenticity and trust in organizations  </p></li><li><p>(00:39:59) Creating space for conversations  </p></li><li><p>(00:41:26) Practices for opening doors to meaning   </p></li><li><p>(00:43:47) Inspirational reading assignments  </p></li><li><p>(00:46:47) Eileen Fisher's personal growth initiative  </p></li><li><p>(00:48:04) Spirituality as a dimension of diversity  </p></li><li><p>(00:51:04) Offering options for spiritual practices  </p></li><li><p>(00:52:04) Gateways to workplace spirituality    </p></li><li><p>(00:57:00) Gratitude and invitation  </p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Spirituality in Leadership</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Judi Neal</strong></p><ul><li><p>LinkedIn:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/judi-neal-99a1027" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/judi-neal-99a1027</a></p></li><li><p>Book<strong>:</strong><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Inspiring-Workplace-Spirituality-Future-Work/dp/1837536155" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Inspiring-Workplace-Spirituality-Future-Work/dp/1837536155</a></p></li><li><p>Book: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Creating-Enlightened-Organizations-Gateways-Spirit/dp/1137335157" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Creating-Enlightened-Organizations-Gateways-Spirit/dp/1137335157</a></p></li><li><p>Book: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Edgewalkers-People-Organizations-Bridges-Ground/dp/0275989208" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Edgewalkers-People-Organizations-Bridges-Ground/dp/0275989208</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p></li></ul> no00:57:36Bridging Worlds: Spirituality, Leadership, and Workplace Transformation, with Judi Nealfull    <![CDATA[When Ordinary Becomes Extraordinary: Practical Spirituality at Work, with Marcos Cajina]]>What happens when spirituality stops being abstract and becomes deeply practical? In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn speaks with Marcos Cajina, leadership consultant, executive coach, and founder of Renewal Company. Born in Madrid and seasoned in corporate HR at Ford before moving into leadership development and executive education, Marcos bridges the worlds of business performance and spiritual wisdom.

    Together, Andrew and Marcos explore how spirituality is not about retreats or caves but about ordinary, daily practices that shape how we lead and live. Marcos introduces what he calls a “scientific approach to spirituality,” testing, applying, and refining practices that work. From martial arts to Japanese archery, he shares how paradoxes like “hitting the target without trying” reveal powerful lessons for leadership.

    The conversation covers the laws of spirit, including acceptance, cooperation, and understanding, and how they translate into everyday business situations. Marcos also emphasizes the role of compassion in leadership, reframing it as a critical executive competency. With humor, humility, and lived experience, he shows how leaders can let go of drama, embrace ordinariness, and make leadership a true team sport.

    This episode is full of timeless insights for leaders seeking to integrate spirituality, practicality, and humanity in their work.


    Key Takeaways

    • Spirituality is practical: it belongs in meetings, feedback, and everyday leadership, not just retreats.

    • Acceptance ≠ resignation: it’s about learning, course-correcting, and moving forward without drama.

    • Action comes before understanding: leaders must act with incomplete information to gain clarity.

    • Compassion is a leadership competency: both self-compassion and compassion for others unlock growth.

    • Ordinariness is powerful: letting go of the need to be “special” allows authentic presence.

    • Leadership is a team sport: true progress happens when giving and receiving support are both practiced.


    In This Episode:

    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/When-Ordinary-Becomes-Extraordinary-Practical-Spirituality-at-Work--with-Marcos-Cajina-e2svkphyvpjUu9vrThu, 23 May 2024 10:00:00 GMT<p>What happens when spirituality stops being abstract and becomes deeply practical? In this episode of the <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em> podcast, host Andrew Cohn speaks with Marcos Cajina, leadership consultant, executive coach, and founder of Renewal Company. Born in Madrid and seasoned in corporate HR at Ford before moving into leadership development and executive education, Marcos bridges the worlds of business performance and spiritual wisdom.</p><p>Together, Andrew and Marcos explore how spirituality is not about retreats or caves but about ordinary, daily practices that shape how we lead and live. Marcos introduces what he calls a “scientific approach to spirituality,” testing, applying, and refining practices that work. From martial arts to Japanese archery, he shares how paradoxes like “hitting the target without trying” reveal powerful lessons for leadership.</p><p>The conversation covers the laws of spirit, including acceptance, cooperation, and understanding, and how they translate into everyday business situations. Marcos also emphasizes the role of compassion in leadership, reframing it as a critical executive competency. With humor, humility, and lived experience, he shows how leaders can let go of drama, embrace ordinariness, and make leadership a true team sport.</p><p>This episode is full of timeless insights for leaders seeking to integrate spirituality, practicality, and humanity in their work.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Spirituality is practical: it belongs in meetings, feedback, and everyday leadership, not just retreats.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Acceptance ≠ resignation: it’s about learning, course-correcting, and moving forward without drama.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Action comes before understanding: leaders must act with incomplete information to gain clarity.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Compassion is a leadership competency: both self-compassion and compassion for others unlock growth.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Ordinariness is powerful: letting go of the need to be “special” allows authentic presence.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Leadership is a team sport: true progress happens when giving and receiving support are both practiced.</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>In This Episode:</strong><br /></p><ul><li></li><li>(00:01) Introduction to practical spirituality</li><li></li><li>(00:26) Marcos’ spiritual journey and ordinariness</li><li></li><li>(01:00) Podcast introduction </li><li></li><li>(01:43) Guest introduction and episode overview</li><li></li><li>(05:12) Marcos’ corporate and consulting background</li><li></li><li>(06:20) Practicality of spirituality in business</li><li></li><li>(08:14) Martial arts and shift to practical spirituality</li><li></li><li>(10:00) Embracing ordinariness and authenticity</li><li></li><li>(13:35) Tension between acceptance and ambition</li><li></li><li>(14:51) Scientific approach to spirituality</li><li></li><li>(15:48) Japanese archery and the paradox of performance</li><li></li><li>(21:12) Spiritual laws: acceptance, cooperation, understanding</li><li></li><li>(25:08) Action before understanding in leadership</li><li></li><li>(28:41) Drama, mistakes, and learning</li><li></li><li>(31:55) Compassion as a leadership competency</li><li></li><li>(34:13) Inclusion, acceptance, and team support</li><li></li><li>(35:24) Loving in business and reciprocity</li><li></li><li>(37:07) Makers, takers, and fakers</li><li>(39:17) Closing remarks and contact information<br /><strong>Resources and Links</strong></li><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</u></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Marcos Cajina</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website:<a href="https://renewalcompany.com" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"> </a><a href="http://renewalcompany.com" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>renewalcompany.com</u></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcos-cajina/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcos-cajina/</u></a></p></li><li><p>Email: <a href="mailto:info@renewalcompany.com" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>info@renewalcompany.com</u></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</u></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</u></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</u></a></p></li></ul><li><br /></li></ul> no00:41:50When Ordinary Becomes Extraordinary: Practical Spirituality at Work, with Marcos Cajinafull    <![CDATA[Meaning-Making Machines: How Business Can Fuel Purpose and Connection, with Naren Balasubramaniam]]>In this thought-provoking episode of the Spirituality in Leadership Podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Naren Balasubramaniam, a healthcare executive and founder of Metamorphix, a public benefit corporation tackling childhood mental health. Naren brings a refreshing perspective to the conversation, viewing spirituality not just as a human experience but as something deeply connected to all of life. He talks about how the illusion of separation holds us back and how true leadership should be about bringing people together, helping them uncover their purpose, and creating space for real connection.

    Throughout the episode, Naren also shares the mission behind Metamorphix: using data-driven tools to bridge the gap between healthcare and education and ultimately support kids facing mental health challenges. He opens up about his path, the power of surrender, and the role trust has played in both his professional and spiritual evolution.

    This episode is a powerful reminder that business isn’t just about numbers. It can be a platform for meaning and service. Naren challenges conventional success metrics and encourages leaders to build organizations that prioritize care, purpose, and impact.


    Key Takeaways

    • Spirituality Is Not Just for Humans: Naren redefines spirituality as life itself, an interconnected field that transcends identity and ego.

    • Leadership Begins With Inner Evolution: You can't help others reach their potential if you're not evolving toward yours.

    • Organizations as Meaning-Making Machines: Business can do more than deliver earnings. It can deliver purpose if we design it that way.

    • Knowing Your Team Means Knowing Their Humanity: Real inclusion requires curiosity, context, and courageous connection.

    • From EBITDA to Empathy: Operational success is not incompatible with spiritual service. It's incomplete without it.

    • Mental Health is a Spiritual Crisis: Metamorphix addresses the disconnection driving teen mental health challenges through data-informed, compassionate intervention.


    In This Episode:

    • [00:55] Podcast introduction and host welcome
    • [01:27] Guest introduction and episode overview
    • [04:42] Naren’s background 
    • [06:28] Defining spirituality beyond human experience
    • [09:19] Spirituality’s role in leadership and inclusion
    • [10:48] Leadership as enabling human potential
    • [13:31] Challenges of caring in organizational leadership
    • [15:50] Spirituality in organizational design
    • [16:38] Organizations as meaning-making machines
    • [18:43] Personal purpose and Metamorphix
    • [19:34] Metamorphix: Mission and approach
    • [21:41] Technology and data in childhood mental health
    • [22:23] Personal growth and integrating experiences
    • [23:44] Bridging healthcare and education for children
    • [25:39] Addressing disconnection and youth mental health crisis
    • [27:34] Spirituality, service, and societal good
    • [28:20] Readiness for purpose-driven leadership
    • [31:04] Surrender and trust in leadership
    • [32:49] Spirituality beyond career constructs
    • [33:51] Closing and how to connect

    Resources and Links

    Spirituality in Leadership Podcast


    Naren Balasubramaniam


    Andrew Cohn


    Music: 



    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Meaning-Making-Machines-How-Business-Can-Fuel-Purpose-and-Connection--with-Naren-Balasubramaniam-e2svkp7hEe2NtsGIThu, 11 Apr 2024 10:00:00 GMT<p>In this thought-provoking episode of the <em>Spirituality in Leadership </em>Podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Naren Balasubramaniam, a healthcare executive and founder of Metamorphix, a public benefit corporation tackling childhood mental health. Naren brings a refreshing perspective to the conversation, viewing spirituality not just as a human experience but as something deeply connected to all of life. He talks about how the illusion of separation holds us back and how true leadership should be about bringing people together, helping them uncover their purpose, and creating space for real connection.</p><p>Throughout the episode, Naren also shares the mission behind Metamorphix: using data-driven tools to bridge the gap between healthcare and education and ultimately support kids facing mental health challenges. He opens up about his path, the power of surrender, and the role trust has played in both his professional and spiritual evolution.</p><p>This episode is a powerful reminder that business isn’t just about numbers. It can be a platform for meaning and service. Naren challenges conventional success metrics and encourages leaders to build organizations that prioritize care, purpose, and impact.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Spirituality Is Not Just for Humans: Naren redefines spirituality as life itself, an interconnected field that transcends identity and ego.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Leadership Begins With Inner Evolution: You can't help others reach their potential if you're not evolving toward yours.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Organizations as Meaning-Making Machines: Business can do more than deliver earnings. It can deliver purpose if we design it that way.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Knowing Your Team Means Knowing Their Humanity: Real inclusion requires curiosity, context, and courageous connection.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>From EBITDA to Empathy: Operational success is not incompatible with spiritual service. It's incomplete without it.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Mental Health is a Spiritual Crisis: Metamorphix addresses the disconnection driving teen mental health challenges through data-informed, compassionate intervention.</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>In This Episode:</strong><br /></p><ul><li></li><li>[00:55] Podcast introduction and host welcome</li><li></li><li>[01:27] Guest introduction and episode overview</li><li></li><li>[04:42] Naren’s background </li><li></li><li>[06:28] Defining spirituality beyond human experience</li><li></li><li>[09:19] Spirituality’s role in leadership and inclusion</li><li></li><li>[10:48] Leadership as enabling human potential</li><li></li><li>[13:31] Challenges of caring in organizational leadership</li><li></li><li>[15:50] Spirituality in organizational design</li><li></li><li>[16:38] Organizations as meaning-making machines</li><li></li><li>[18:43] Personal purpose and Metamorphix</li><li></li><li>[19:34] Metamorphix: Mission and approach</li><li></li><li>[21:41] Technology and data in childhood mental health</li><li></li><li>[22:23] Personal growth and integrating experiences</li><li></li><li>[23:44] Bridging healthcare and education for children</li><li></li><li>[25:39] Addressing disconnection and youth mental health crisis</li><li></li><li>[27:34] Spirituality, service, and societal good</li><li></li><li>[28:20] Readiness for purpose-driven leadership</li><li></li><li>[31:04] Surrender and trust in leadership</li><li></li><li>[32:49] Spirituality beyond career constructs</li><li>[33:51] Closing and how to connect<br /></li></ul><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Naren Balasubramaniam</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website:<em> </em><a href="https://www.metamorphix.co/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.metamorphix.co/</u></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/narenbalasubramaniam" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u> https://www.linkedin.com/in/narenbalasubramaniam</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</u></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><br /></p> no00:35:59Meaning-Making Machines: How Business Can Fuel Purpose and Connection, with Naren Balasubramaniamfull    <![CDATA[The Intersection Of Spirituality And Leadership With Kelly Wendorf]]>Spirituality is such a big word that it becomes elusive to define. But for Kelly Wendorf, the CEO of EQUUS, spirituality is what hones us to become better humans and tethers us to accountability and boundaries. She sits down with Andrew Cohn to discuss deeper into what spirituality is to her and how it guides her life and helps her recognize that there are forces greater than ourselves and that we are a part of. Kelly talks about spirituality in the context of leadership, honing in on the ideas of care and presence as leaders build systems, cultures, and frameworks that help teams and organizations thrive. She also taps into inclusion and what leaders can do to keep doors open as well as how being in nature reminds us that there are greater forces at work. Join today’s episode and find that profound connection to life, nurturing that awareness of how we can influence each other for the greater good.

    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/The-Intersection-Of-Spirituality-And-Leadership-With-Kelly-Wendorf-e2svkp3UnAEiDaJLThu, 09 Nov 2023 11:00:00 GMT<p>Spirituality is such a big word that it becomes elusive to define. But for <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-wendorf/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Kelly Wendorf</a>, the CEO of <a href="https://www.equusinspired.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">EQUUS</a>, spirituality is what hones us to become better humans and tethers us to accountability and boundaries. She sits down with Andrew Cohn to discuss deeper into what spirituality is to her and how it guides her life and helps her recognize that there are forces greater than ourselves and that we are a part of. Kelly talks about spirituality in the context of leadership, honing in on the ideas of care and presence as leaders build systems, cultures, and frameworks that help teams and organizations thrive. She also taps into inclusion and what leaders can do to keep doors open as well as how being in nature reminds us that there are greater forces at work. Join today’s episode and find that profound connection to life, nurturing that awareness of how we can influence each other for the greater good.</p> no00:33:37The Intersection Of Spirituality And Leadership With Kelly Wendorffull    <![CDATA[Bridging Cultures, Building Connections: Interconnectedness in Life and Work, with Yoko Hisano]]>In our increasingly disconnected world, recognizing our interconnectedness across cultures and in the workplace is more important than ever. In this episode of the podcast, Andrew Cohn speaks with Yoko Hisano, a clinical therapist and healer in the Boston area. Yoko shares her experience growing up in Japan and in Texas, working in human resources in Japan, and in higher education in the U.S. before moving into clinical therapy work. She talks about her experience across cultures, and about engaging people in important conversations that relate to connecting. The theme of interconnectedness comes through clearly in this conversation, which Yoko describes as a spiritual theme. In a very simple and clear way, she talks about aspiring to inspire people to connect to what brings them joy.



    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Bridging-Cultures--Building-Connections-Interconnectedness-in-Life-and-Work--with-Yoko-Hisano-e2svkp6YuHKEjQzxWed, 04 Dec 2024 11:00:00 GMT<p><span>In our increasingly disconnected world, recognizing our interconnectedness across cultures and in the workplace is more important than ever. In this episode of the podcast, Andrew Cohn speaks with</span><a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/yoko-hisano-brookline-ma/1002812" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/yoko-hisano-brookline-ma/1002812" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Yoko Hisano</a><span>, a clinical therapist and healer in the Boston area. Yoko shares her experience growing up in Japan and in Texas, working in human resources in Japan, and in higher education in the U.S. before moving into clinical therapy work. She talks about her experience across cultures, and about engaging people in important conversations that relate to connecting. The theme of interconnectedness comes through clearly in this conversation, which Yoko describes as a spiritual theme. In a very simple and clear way, she talks about aspiring to inspire people to connect to what brings them joy.</span></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p> no00:40:55Bridging Cultures, Building Connections: Interconnectedness in Life and Work, with Yoko Hisanofull    <![CDATA[Remembering What We Are: Philosophy, Presence, and Human Flourishing, with Rodney King]]>In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, Andrew Cohn sits down with Dr. Rodney King, philosophical coach, former martial arts practitioner, global educator, and scholar to delve into meaning, leadership, and what it really takes to live well. Rodney shares his extraordinary journey, from growing up in poverty in Johannesburg and surviving a violent environment, to becoming a globally respected martial arts teacher, and ultimately facing a life-altering health crisis that forced him to rethink everything.

    Rodney reflects on how martial arts first became a way to survive, then a profession, and eventually a doorway into something much deeper–philosophy as a lived practice. After decades of physical training, travel, and high performance, a diagnosis of CTE-like symptoms brought his fighting career to an abrupt halt. What could have been the end instead became a turning point. Through philosophy, solitude, and reconnecting with nature, Rodney began to ask different questions, not “How do I push harder?” but “What is the meaning of this moment?”

    Together, Andrew and Rodney delve into how modern culture’s obsession with speed, optimization, and productivity often pulls us away from our inner wisdom. Rodney challenges listeners to do the opposite of what the modern world demands, slow down, embrace unstructured time, and rediscover awe in everyday moments. From walking without a destination to simply being bored, these “unoptimized” practices become gateways to clarity, creativity, and healing.

    This episode is a thoughtful invitation to leaders, and all of us, to rethink success, listen more deeply, and reconnect with what truly matters. It’s not about having all the answers, but about learning to ask better questions and creating space for wisdom to emerge.


    Key Takeaways

    • From Toughness to Wisdom: Early survival instincts may build strength, but true leadership requires reflection, meaning, and inner authority.

    • Crisis as Initiation: Health breakdowns and life disruptions can serve as powerful invitations back to purpose and authenticity.

    • Philosophy as a Lived Practice: Philosophy is not theory. It is a way of engaging life, suffering, and leadership with depth and clarity.

    • Doing the Opposite: Many leadership and wellbeing challenges are eased by resisting hustle culture and embracing slowness, patience, and presence.

    • Asking Better Questions: Transformation begins not with answers but with reframing the questions we ask ourselves.

    • Unoptimized Time Matters: Solitude, boredom, awe, and walking without goals create space for wisdom and creativity to emerge.

    • Environment Shapes Behavior: Much modern anxiety and burnout stem from environments misaligned with human nature.


    In This Episode:

    • [00:00] Opening reflections and Rodney’s early realization about toughness

    • [01:24] Introduction to Dr. Rodney King and his global journey

    • [04:11] Growing up in poverty and discovering martial arts

    • [08:18] Military service and early leadership formation

    • [09:58] Building a global martial arts practice

    • [12:34] Health crisis, CTE-like symptoms, and identity collapse

    • [15:01] Recovery, reflection, and returning to philosophy

    • [17:36] Philosophy, martial arts, and the hero’s journey

    • [23:24] Coaching through questions rather than answers

    • [27:28] Meaning-making during crisis

    • [31:08] Nature, solitude, and unoptimized practices

    • [36:00] Awe, walking, and embodied wisdom

    • [41:30] Modern culture, burnout

    • [44:47] Doing the opposite as a leadership rebellion

    [50:52] Rodney’s work, resources, and closing reflections
    Resources and Links

    Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

    Rodney King

    Andrew Cohn

    Music: 


    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Remembering-What-We-Are-Philosophy--Presence--and-Human-Flourishing--with-Rodney-King-e3e2flee0e05993-3f91-4df5-b7df-df8c670eacc2Wed, 07 Jan 2026 05:58:00 GMT<p>In this episode of <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em>, Andrew Cohn sits down with Dr. Rodney King, philosophical coach, former martial arts practitioner, global educator, and scholar to delve into meaning, leadership, and what it really takes to live well. Rodney shares his extraordinary journey, from growing up in poverty in Johannesburg and surviving a violent environment, to becoming a globally respected martial arts teacher, and ultimately facing a life-altering health crisis that forced him to rethink everything.</p><p>Rodney reflects on how martial arts first became a way to survive, then a profession, and eventually a doorway into something much deeper–philosophy as a lived practice. After decades of physical training, travel, and high performance, a diagnosis of CTE-like symptoms brought his fighting career to an abrupt halt. What could have been the end instead became a turning point. Through philosophy, solitude, and reconnecting with nature, Rodney began to ask different questions, not<em> “How do I push harder?”</em> but <em>“What is the meaning of this moment?”</em></p><p>Together, Andrew and Rodney delve into how modern culture’s obsession with speed, optimization, and productivity often pulls us away from our inner wisdom. Rodney challenges listeners to do the opposite of what the modern world demands, slow down, embrace unstructured time, and rediscover awe in everyday moments. From walking without a destination to simply being bored, these “unoptimized” practices become gateways to clarity, creativity, and healing.</p><p>This episode is a thoughtful invitation to leaders, and all of us, to rethink success, listen more deeply, and reconnect with what truly matters. It’s not about having all the answers, but about learning to ask better questions and creating space for wisdom to emerge.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>From Toughness to Wisdom: Early survival instincts may build strength, but true leadership requires reflection, meaning, and inner authority.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Crisis as Initiation: Health breakdowns and life disruptions can serve as powerful invitations back to purpose and authenticity.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Philosophy as a Lived Practice: Philosophy is not theory. It is a way of engaging life, suffering, and leadership with depth and clarity.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Doing the Opposite: Many leadership and wellbeing challenges are eased by resisting hustle culture and embracing slowness, patience, and presence.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Asking Better Questions: Transformation begins not with answers but with reframing the questions we ask ourselves.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Unoptimized Time Matters: Solitude, boredom, awe, and walking without goals create space for wisdom and creativity to emerge.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Environment Shapes Behavior: Much modern anxiety and burnout stem from environments misaligned with human nature.</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>In This Episode:</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>[00:00] Opening reflections and Rodney’s early realization about toughness</p></li><li><p>[01:24] Introduction to Dr. Rodney King and his global journey</p></li><li><p>[04:11] Growing up in poverty and discovering martial arts</p></li><li><p>[08:18] Military service and early leadership formation</p></li><li><p>[09:58] Building a global martial arts practice</p></li><li><p>[12:34] Health crisis, CTE-like symptoms, and identity collapse</p></li><li><p>[15:01] Recovery, reflection, and returning to philosophy</p></li><li><p>[17:36] Philosophy, martial arts, and the hero’s journey</p></li><li><p>[23:24] Coaching through questions rather than answers</p></li><li><p>[27:28] Meaning-making during crisis</p></li><li><p>[31:08] Nature, solitude, and unoptimized practices</p></li><li><p>[36:00] Awe, walking, and embodied wisdom</p></li><li><p>[41:30] Modern culture, burnout</p></li><li><p>[44:47] Doing the opposite as a leadership rebellion</p></li></ul><p>[50:52] Rodney’s work, resources, and closing reflections<br /><strong>Resources and Links</strong><br /></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Rodney King</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/coachrodneyking/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/coachrodneyking/</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.coachingphilosophia.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.coachingphilosophia.org</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.coachingphilosophia.life/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.coachingphilosophia.life</a></p></li><p><br /></p></ul><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p> no00:53:14Remembering What We Are: Philosophy, Presence, and Human Flourishing, with Rodney Kingfull    <![CDATA[Discovering and Creating Heaven on Earth, with Martin Rutte]]>In this conversation, Andrew Cohn talks a second time with Martin Rutte, one of the pioneers in the field of spirituality in business, and more recently the author of the book, Project Heaven on Earth. Martin begins the conversation by sharing the three key questions that each of us can consider in order to begin to create heaven on earth—as each of us defines it. He also reflects back Andrew‘s answers to these questions and what that might mean for him. Martin describes his book as a blueprint of discovering what heaven on earth means for us, and the steps each of us can take to begin to bring it to life. He describes the seven gateways to heaven on earth, and shares stories that bring these powerful themes and ideas to life. He challenges us to consider where we might be “out“ of heaven and earth with ourselves. Martin talks about his belief that humanity is at a fork in the road, and it is by tapping into these bigger personal questions that we can navigate in the right direction.

    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Discovering-and-Creating-Heaven-on-Earth--with-Martin-Rutte-e2svkpf4FMZQB4WzWed, 27 Nov 2024 11:00:00 GMT<p><span>In this conversation, Andrew Cohn talks a second time with </span><a href="http://www.martinrutte.com" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Martin Rutte</a><span>, one of the pioneers in the field of spirituality in business, and more recently the author of the book, </span><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Project-Heaven-Earth-simple-questions/dp/0692073620" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em>Project Heaven on Earth</em></a><span>. Martin begins the conversation by sharing the three key questions that each of us can consider in order to begin to create heaven on earth—as each of us defines it. He also reflects back Andrew‘s answers to these questions and what that might mean for him. Martin describes his book as a blueprint of discovering what heaven on earth means for us, and the steps each of us can take to begin to bring it to life. He describes the seven gateways to heaven on earth, and shares stories that bring these powerful themes and ideas to life. He challenges us to consider where we might be “out“ of heaven and earth with ourselves. Martin talks about his belief that humanity is at a fork in the road, and it is by tapping into these bigger personal questions that we can navigate in the right direction.</span></p> no00:39:26Discovering and Creating Heaven on Earth, with Martin Ruttefull    <![CDATA[Awakened Economics: Rethinking Growth, Profit, and Purpose, with Bond Snodgrass]]>In this eye-opening episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn is joined by Bond Snodgrass—banker, sustainability entrepreneur, and creator of Awakened Economics—for a rich conversation about reimagining how we lead, measure success, and shape the systems we live in.

    Bond shares his personal journey from the high-stakes world of global finance to a deeper spiritual awakening sparked by a health crisis. That turning point led him to question the economic assumptions we take for granted—especially the idea that growth always equals progress. Together, Bond and Andrew explore how leaders can bring more consciousness into business—without sacrificing performance.

    From ESG investing and stakeholder capitalism to redefining what we even mean by “value,” this episode offers bold ideas and grounded insights for leaders who want to build organizations that serve both people and the planet. It’s part vision, part toolkit—and all heart.

    Ready to rethink what leadership and economics can be? Hit play and join the conversation.

    And don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an episode that challenges, inspires, and uplifts your leadership journey. 


    Key Takeaways

    • Spirituality in business is possible: High-consciousness leadership doesn’t negate profitability—it deepens responsibility.

    • Stakeholder capitalism expands the definition of who matters in business beyond shareholders to include employees, communities, and the planet.

    • Sustainability is multidimensional: It encompasses economic viability, social responsibility, and environmental stewardship.

    • Young professionals care: Gen Z and Millennials are driving demand for purpose-driven companies and ESG transparency.

    • Economics can evolve: Bond’s “awakened definition” of economics centers on interdependence, service, and sustainable well-being—replacing outdated models of infinite self-interest.

    • Progress, not perfection: Even small commitments to sustainability or spiritual values by leaders can make meaningful shifts.


      In This Episode:

      • [00:00:01] Bond’s spiritual awakening and health crisis

      • [00:00:52] Introduction to the podcast and guest

      • [00:03:57] Bond’s career journey and spirituality

      • [00:07:04] The genesis of awakened economics

      • [00:08:24] High consciousness in business

      • [00:09:31] Defining spirituality and connection

      • [00:10:39] Applying spirituality to business and sustainability

      • [00:11:38] Community and the conscious business movement

      • [00:13:01] Shareholder vs. stakeholder capitalism

      • [00:14:22] Three pillars of sustainability

      • [00:16:18] Defining sustainability and its origins

      • [00:17:52] Theoretical vs. practical impact for leaders

      • [00:19:08] Progress and CEO commitment

      • [00:20:55] ESG reporting and market demand

      • [00:23:10] Growth and pushback in ESG investing

      • [00:25:04] Complexity and lack of standards in sustainability

      • [00:26:53] Challenges for corporations in sustainability

      • [00:27:56] Responding to business leader skepticism

      • [00:30:13] Benefits of sustainability for business

      • [00:32:42] Sustainable finance and green bonds

      • [00:32:56] Regional differences in sustainability practices

      • [00:35:26] Trends and the future of sustainability

      • [00:37:09] Challenges in ESG implementation

      • [00:38:15] Political pushback and communication issues

      • [00:39:30] Economic benefits of sustainability initiatives

      • [00:41:26] Introduction to awakened economics

      • [00:41:33] Critique of neoclassical economics

      • [00:44:06] Proposing a conscious economic model

      • [00:46:25] Awakened definition of economics

      • [00:49:41] Resources and closing


      Resources and Links

      Spirituality in Leadership Podcast


      Bond Snodgrass


      Andrew Cohn


      Music: 


    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Awakened-Economics-Rethinking-Growth--Profit--and-Purpose--with-Bond-Snodgrass-e34ukha1089cb59-5ed6-439c-bcb6-e44304252a91Wed, 11 Jun 2025 12:47:00 GMT<p>In this eye-opening episode of the <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em> podcast, host Andrew Cohn is joined by Bond Snodgrass—banker, sustainability entrepreneur, and creator of Awakened Economics—for a rich conversation about reimagining how we lead, measure success, and shape the systems we live in.</p><p>Bond shares his personal journey from the high-stakes world of global finance to a deeper spiritual awakening sparked by a health crisis. That turning point led him to question the economic assumptions we take for granted—especially the idea that growth always equals progress. Together, Bond and Andrew explore how leaders can bring more consciousness into business—without sacrificing performance.</p><p>From ESG investing and stakeholder capitalism to redefining what we even mean by “value,” this episode offers bold ideas and grounded insights for leaders who want to build organizations that serve both people and the planet. It’s part vision, part toolkit—and all heart.</p><p>Ready to rethink what leadership and economics can be? Hit play and join the conversation.</p><p>And don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an episode that challenges, inspires, and uplifts your leadership journey. </p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Spirituality in business is possible: High-consciousness leadership doesn’t negate profitability—it deepens responsibility.</p></li><li><p>Stakeholder capitalism expands the definition of who matters in business beyond shareholders to include employees, communities, and the planet.</p></li><li><p>Sustainability is multidimensional: It encompasses economic viability, social responsibility, and environmental stewardship.</p></li><li><p>Young professionals care: Gen Z and Millennials are driving demand for purpose-driven companies and ESG transparency.</p></li><li><p>Economics can evolve: Bond’s “awakened definition” of economics centers on interdependence, service, and sustainable well-being—replacing outdated models of infinite self-interest.</p></li><li><p>Progress, not perfection: Even small commitments to sustainability or spiritual values by leaders can make meaningful shifts.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:00:01] Bond’s spiritual awakening and health crisis</p></li><li><p>[00:00:52] Introduction to the podcast and guest</p></li><li><p>[00:03:57] Bond’s career journey and spirituality</p></li><li><p>[00:07:04] The genesis of awakened economics</p></li><li><p>[00:08:24] High consciousness in business</p></li><li><p>[00:09:31] Defining spirituality and connection</p></li><li><p>[00:10:39] Applying spirituality to business and sustainability</p></li><li><p>[00:11:38] Community and the conscious business movement</p></li><li><p>[00:13:01] Shareholder vs. stakeholder capitalism</p></li><li><p>[00:14:22] Three pillars of sustainability</p></li><li><p>[00:16:18] Defining sustainability and its origins</p></li><li><p>[00:17:52] Theoretical vs. practical impact for leaders</p></li><li><p>[00:19:08] Progress and CEO commitment</p></li><li><p>[00:20:55] ESG reporting and market demand</p></li><li><p>[00:23:10] Growth and pushback in ESG investing</p></li><li><p>[00:25:04] Complexity and lack of standards in sustainability</p></li><li><p>[00:26:53] Challenges for corporations in sustainability</p></li><li><p>[00:27:56] Responding to business leader skepticism</p></li><li><p>[00:30:13] Benefits of sustainability for business</p></li><li><p>[00:32:42] Sustainable finance and green bonds</p></li><li><p>[00:32:56] Regional differences in sustainability practices</p></li><li><p>[00:35:26] Trends and the future of sustainability</p></li><li><p>[00:37:09] Challenges in ESG implementation</p></li><li><p>[00:38:15] Political pushback and communication issues</p></li><li><p>[00:39:30] Economic benefits of sustainability initiatives</p></li><li><p>[00:41:26] Introduction to awakened economics</p></li><li><p>[00:41:33] Critique of neoclassical economics</p></li><li><p>[00:44:06] Proposing a conscious economic model</p></li><li><p>[00:46:25] Awakened definition of economics</p></li><li><p>[00:49:41] Resources and closing</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Bond Snodgrass</strong></p><ul><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bond-snodgrass-99274932/en" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/bond-snodgrass-99274932/en</a></p></li><li><p>Awakened Economics: <a href="https://awakenedeconomics.substack.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://awakenedeconomics.substack.com/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p></li></ul> no00:52:35Awakened Economics: Rethinking Growth, Profit, and Purpose, with Bond Snodgrassfull    <![CDATA[Eldership in Action: Witnessing, Blessing, and Leading the Next Generation, Dr. Karen Wilson-Starks]]>In this powerful episode, host Andrew Cohn speaks with Dr. Karen Wilson-Starks, clinical psychologist, executive coach, and host of The Voice of Leadership podcast. With decades of experience, including as an Army psychologist and senior faculty at the Center for Creative Leadership, Dr. Karen shares how deep faith and a spirit of service have shaped her approach to leadership.

    Karen opens up about her early struggles to integrate spirituality with psychology and how she became a pioneering voice encouraging others to bring their whole selves, including their spiritual dimension, into the workplace. She reflects on the meaning of eldership as witnessing and blessing, and how modeling peace and presence can be more powerful than words.

    Together, Andrew and Karen explore how spiritual grounding, especially her Christian faith, can support leaders through uncertainty, foster inclusive workplaces, and serve as an anchor in turbulent times. Whether it’s leading through riots, coaching executives one-on-one, or mentoring the next generation, Karen’s presence and perspective offer wisdom for leaders of all kinds.


    Key Takeaways

    • Leadership begins with self-leadership. As Karen says, “You are the instrument of your leadership” — and that instrument needs regular tuning.

    • Spirituality adds depth to leadership. Leaders of faith can draw from inner peace, presence, and purpose — even in secular settings.

    • Eldership means modeling, mentoring, and blessing. Being an elder is about showing what’s possible and supporting others on their path.

    • Peace is contagious. A grounded leader sets the emotional tone for an entire organization.

    • Respectful inclusion is essential. Faith-based leadership can be offered with openness and humility, never imposition.

    • We influence more than we know. Whether through family, clients, or peers, our presence creates ripples beyond our awareness.


    In This Episode:

    • [00:00] Introduction to eldership and wisdom

    • [01:06] Welcome to the podcast

    • [01:41] Introducing Dr. Karen Wilson-Starks

    • [05:13] Dr. Karen's journey in psychology and spirituality

    • [06:14] Challenges in combining psychology and spirituality

    • [09:55] The role of elders in different cultures

    • [12:59] The importance of role models

    • [17:20] Spirituality in leadership

    • [18:34] Integrating faith in professional settings

    • [23:57] Leveraging faith to lead with peace

    • [25:44] The CEO's influence on organizational peace

    • [26:14] Finding personal peace in leadership

    • [27:13] Jesus as a model for peaceful leadership

    • [28:03] Modeling peace in the workplace

    • [29:26] The impact of faith on leadership

    • [33:08] Changes in workplace spirituality

    • [39:30] Balancing faith and inclusivity in leadership

    • [40:49] Practical examples of faith in leadership

    • [44:42] Conclusion and resources


    Resources and Links


    Spirituality in Leadership Podcast


    Dr. Karen Wilson-Starks


    Andrew Cohn


    Music: 
    Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Eldership-in-Action-Witnessing--Blessing--and-Leading-the-Next-Generation--Dr--Karen-Wilson-Starks-e363uhpab30191a-d287-41a7-905e-410e0b04773cWed, 25 Jun 2025 12:50:00 GMT<p>In this powerful episode, host Andrew Cohn speaks with Dr. Karen Wilson-Starks, clinical psychologist, executive coach, and host of <em>The Voice of Leadership</em> podcast. With decades of experience, including as an Army psychologist and senior faculty at the Center for Creative Leadership, Dr. Karen shares how deep faith and a spirit of service have shaped her approach to leadership.</p><p>Karen opens up about her early struggles to integrate spirituality with psychology and how she became a pioneering voice encouraging others to bring their whole selves, including their spiritual dimension, into the workplace. She reflects on the meaning of eldership as witnessing and blessing, and how modeling peace and presence can be more powerful than words.</p><p>Together, Andrew and Karen explore how spiritual grounding, especially her Christian faith, can support leaders through uncertainty, foster inclusive workplaces, and serve as an anchor in turbulent times. Whether it’s leading through riots, coaching executives one-on-one, or mentoring the next generation, Karen’s presence and perspective offer wisdom for leaders of all kinds.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Key Takeaways</strong></p><ul><li><p>Leadership begins with self-leadership. As Karen says, “You are the instrument of your leadership” — and that instrument needs regular tuning.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Spirituality adds depth to leadership. Leaders of faith can draw from inner peace, presence, and purpose — even in secular settings.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Eldership means modeling, mentoring, and blessing. Being an elder is about showing what’s possible and supporting others on their path.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Peace is contagious. A grounded leader sets the emotional tone for an entire organization.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Respectful inclusion is essential. Faith-based leadership can be offered with openness and humility, never imposition.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>We influence more than we know. Whether through family, clients, or peers, our presence creates ripples beyond our awareness.</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:00] Introduction to eldership and wisdom</p></li><li><p>[01:06] Welcome to the podcast</p></li><li><p>[01:41] Introducing Dr. Karen Wilson-Starks</p></li><li><p>[05:13] Dr. Karen's journey in psychology and spirituality</p></li><li><p>[06:14] Challenges in combining psychology and spirituality</p></li><li><p>[09:55] The role of elders in different cultures</p></li><li><p>[12:59] The importance of role models</p></li><li><p>[17:20] Spirituality in leadership</p></li><li><p>[18:34] Integrating faith in professional settings</p></li><li><p>[23:57] Leveraging faith to lead with peace</p></li><li><p>[25:44] The CEO's influence on organizational peace</p></li><li><p>[26:14] Finding personal peace in leadership</p></li><li><p>[27:13] Jesus as a model for peaceful leadership</p></li><li><p>[28:03] Modeling peace in the workplace</p></li><li><p>[29:26] The impact of faith on leadership</p></li><li><p>[33:08] Changes in workplace spirituality</p></li><li><p>[39:30] Balancing faith and inclusivity in leadership</p></li><li><p>[40:49] Practical examples of faith in leadership</p></li><li><p>[44:42] Conclusion and resources</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Dr. Karen Wilson-Starks</strong></p><ul><li><p>Podcast:<em> </em><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-voice-of-leadership/id1275653800" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em>The Voice of Leadership</em></a></p></li><li><p>Website: <a href="https://transleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://transleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbX0XrG1TknGthurUMnFXdA" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbX0XrG1TknGthurUMnFXdA</a></p></li><li><p>Email: <a href="mailto:drkaren@transleadership.com" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">drkaren@transleadership.com</a></p></li><li><p>Book: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Lead-Yourself-First-Engaging-Performance/dp/1942489641" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em>Lead Yourself First: The Senior Leader’s Guide to Engaging Your People for Greater Performance and Impact</em></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong><br />Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a><br /></p> no00:47:53Eldership in Action: Witnessing, Blessing, and Leading the Next Generation, Dr. Karen Wilson-Starksfull    <![CDATA[Journey To Connectedness: From Individual To Collective With Hylke Faber]]>We are capable of so much more than we realize. Sometimes, we just have to look deeper within ourselves to discover what we are made of, serving not just ourselves but others. This is what Hylke Faber helps people with. As the CEO of Growth Leaders Network, he sits at the helm of his team of facilitators and coaches to help individuals tap more deeply into what they’re truly made of and their true potential. In this episode, Hylke joins Andrew Cohn to share the origin story of finding the connection to his calling—from thinking of himself as a primary client to then discovering that spiritual dimension through meditation and replacing the word ‘spiritual’ with connectedness and evolution. He also talks about how this connection to our deeper strengths also applies to organizations as a whole, especially as leaders move their teams across crises and bring results. Tune in as Hylke takes us on a journey to connectedness and the pursuit of learning more about ourselves as individuals and as part of a collective.

    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Journey-To-Connectedness-From-Individual-To-Collective-With-Hylke-Faber-e2svkp8399pmecJbTue, 24 Oct 2023 14:10:00 GMT<p>We are capable of so much more than we realize. Sometimes, we just have to look deeper within ourselves to discover what we are made of, serving not just ourselves but others. This is what <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/hylke-faber-/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Hylke Faber</a> helps people with. As the CEO of <a href="https://www.growthleadersnetwork.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Growth Leaders Network,</a> he sits at the helm of his team of facilitators and coaches to help individuals tap more deeply into what they’re truly made of and their true potential. In this episode, Hylke joins Andrew Cohn to share the origin story of finding the connection to his calling—from thinking of himself as a primary client to then discovering that spiritual dimension through meditation and replacing the word ‘spiritual’ with connectedness and evolution. He also talks about how this connection to our deeper strengths also applies to organizations as a whole, especially as leaders move their teams across crises and bring results. Tune in as Hylke takes us on a journey to connectedness and the pursuit of learning more about ourselves as individuals and as part of a collective.</p> no00:38:10Journey To Connectedness: From Individual To Collective With Hylke Faberfull    <![CDATA[The Spirit of Leadership: Aligning Values with Action, with John Mitchell]]>What does it mean to lead with both purpose and integrity in a world that often separates the spiritual from the professional?


    In this thought-provoking episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with John Mitchell, a leadership development consultant, coach, and fellow "recovering lawyer," to explore the intersection of spirituality, faith, and effective leadership. John shares his unique journey—from growing up in a military family with broad exposure to diverse faiths, to his current work helping leaders align their actions with their deepest values.  


    The conversation explores the challenges of congruence—ensuring one’s behavior aligns with one's stated beliefs—and the importance of interconnectedness as a guiding principle in leadership. John offers practical insights for leaders across sectors, from corporate executives to faith leaders, on how to navigate hypocrisy, foster inclusivity, and make decisions rooted in integrity.  


    Whether you're a corporate executive, faith leader, or purpose-driven professional, this episode offers powerful, practical wisdom on navigating ethical dilemmas, embracing inclusivity, and making value-aligned decisions in complex environments. Listen now to discover how spirituality can be a strength—not a side note—in leadership. 


    Key Takeaways

    • Faith and spirituality aren’t the same—but often overlap.

    • Congruence matters. Leadership credibility stems from living your values consistently, not just preaching them.

    • Leaders need mirrors. Coaches can help by reflecting back a leader’s own values—especially during moments of self-doubt or hubris.

    • The best leaders check themselves. High-integrity leaders actively ask, “Are my actions aligned with my beliefs?”

    • Inclusiveness grows from spiritual awareness. A belief in interconnectedness leads to more inclusive and effective leadership.

    • Discernment is not judgment. Leaders must evaluate situations with clarity without falling into prejudice or rigidity.


      In This Episode:

    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/The-Spirit-of-Leadership-Aligning-Values-with-Action--with-John-Mitchell-e348frn9265d455-b3c9-4933-9614-25314d199659Tue, 13 May 2025 20:46:00 GMT<p>What does it mean to lead with both purpose and integrity in a world that often separates the spiritual from the professional?</p><p><br /></p><p>In this thought-provoking episode of the <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em> podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with John Mitchell, a leadership development consultant, coach, and fellow "recovering lawyer," to explore the intersection of spirituality, faith, and effective leadership. John shares his unique journey—from growing up in a military family with broad exposure to diverse faiths, to his current work helping leaders align their actions with their deepest values.  </p><p><br /></p><p>The conversation explores the challenges of congruence—ensuring one’s behavior aligns with one's stated beliefs—and the importance of interconnectedness as a guiding principle in leadership. John offers practical insights for leaders across sectors, from corporate executives to faith leaders, on how to navigate hypocrisy, foster inclusivity, and make decisions rooted in integrity.  </p><p><br /></p><p>Whether you're a corporate executive, faith leader, or purpose-driven professional, this episode offers powerful, practical wisdom on navigating ethical dilemmas, embracing inclusivity, and making value-aligned decisions in complex environments. Listen now to discover how spirituality can be a strength—not a side note—in leadership. </p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Faith and spirituality aren’t the same—but often overlap.</p></li><li><p>Congruence matters. Leadership credibility stems from living your values consistently, not just preaching them.</p></li><li><p>Leaders need mirrors. Coaches can help by reflecting back a leader’s own values—especially during moments of self-doubt or hubris.</p></li><li><p>The best leaders check themselves. High-integrity leaders actively ask, “Are my actions aligned with my beliefs?”</p></li><li><p>Inclusiveness grows from spiritual awareness. A belief in interconnectedness leads to more inclusive and effective leadership.</p></li><li><p>Discernment is not judgment. Leaders must evaluate situations with clarity without falling into prejudice or rigidity.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:00] Introduction: Faith vs. spirituality</p></li><li><p>[03:00] John’s childhood, military upbringing, and multifaith exposure</p></li><li><p>[06:00] Spirituality through the lens of connection and nature</p></li><li><p>[10:00] Diversity, integration, and spiritual evolution</p></li><li><p>[13:00] Coaching faith leaders and guiding them through their own frameworks</p></li><li><p>[18:00] The danger of ego and the pedestal problem</p></li><li><p>[24:00] Leading with integrity—lessons from a transportation executive</p></li><li><p>[30:00] Self-checks and internal congruence as a leadership discipline</p></li><li><p>[36:00] Discernment vs. judgment in decision-making</p></li><li><p>[39:00] Leadership in law firms and the challenge of tough decisions</p></li><li><p>[41:00] Closing reflections and where to find John online</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>John Mitchell</strong></p><ul><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/thepurplecoach?utm_source=share&amp;utm_campaign=share_via&amp;utm_content=profile&amp;utm_medium=android_app" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/thepurplecoach</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p></li></ul></li></ul> no00:41:56The Spirit of Leadership: Aligning Values with Action, with John Mitchellfull    <![CDATA[The Power Of Developing The Bigger Parts Of Ourselves With Leslie Boyer]]>In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn chats with his longtime friend and mentor, Leslie Boyer, about what it truly means to bring purpose and spiritual awareness into the workplace. Leslie shares her journey, from starting out as a kindergarten teacher to working with high-risk teens, and eventually coaching global corporate teams. Her perspective? Whether you’re five or fifty, people want the same things: to be seen, heard, and understood.

    They explore how culture and geography influence people’s willingness to talk about compassion, forgiveness, and purpose at work. Leslie talks about her experiences coaching teams in Germany and India, and how understanding cultural differences helps build trust and opens the door to more meaningful conversations.

    They also talk about the power of storytelling, deep listening, and self-awareness, especially for leaders. Leslie explains how tuning into your inner motivations (and checking your ego) can make a big difference in how you lead and connect with others. She calls it “practical spirituality,” which is about making purpose and presence part of daily life, not just something you reflect on in quiet moments.

    If you're curious about leading with more clarity and connection, this episode is for you.


    Key Takeaways

    • Leadership is human development. Whether in classrooms or corporations, we all want to be seen, valued, and heard.

    • Listening is spiritual practice. True listening requires presence, patience, and the humility to set aside personal agendas.

    • Stories build connection. Leaders who share personal stories cultivate empathy and understanding across teams and cultures.

    • Presence is deeper than patience. Being fully here and open creates a natural space for others to reflect, grow, and trust.

    • Spirituality doesn’t need labels. Forgiveness, acceptance, and purpose are accessible values, even in secular or global workplaces.

    • Culture matters. Effective leadership requires cultural sensitivity — geographic, generational, and organizational.


    In This Episode:

    • [00:00] Introduction and universal human needs
    • [01:16] Leslie’s background 
    • [03:51] Personal development and passion for practical spirituality
    • [05:40] Teaching kindergarten and corporate lessons
    • [07:04] Early teaching experiences and disillusionment
    • [08:57] Corporate coaching and global work
    • [09:48] Core spiritual dimensions in the workplace
    • [11:13] Cultural differences in openness
    • [11:39] Navigating cultural norms
    • [13:08] Building trust and credibility
    • [15:41] Cultural examples: Germany, Sweden, US
    • [17:50] Storytelling as a bridge
    • [18:12] The value of sharing stories
    • [19:29] Listening and asking questions
    • [20:49] Barriers to listening
    • [23:03] Learning styles and communication
    • [24:37] Self-awareness and leadership
    • [25:49] Holding space and presence
    • [26:32] Self-reflection and inner work
    • [30:39] Commitment to growth and healing
    • [32:12] Trust in something greater
    • [32:53] Spiritual awakening and practice
    • [34:16] Purpose and practical spirituality
    • [36:50] Compassion, teamwork, and new stories
    • [37:47] Closing and contact information

    Resources and Links

    Spirituality in Leadership Podcast


    Leslie Boyer


    Andrew Cohn


    Music: 


    Mentioned


    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/The-Power-Of-Developing-The-Bigger-Parts-Of-Ourselves-With-Leslie-Boyer-e2svkp0zd6LSjeVUThu, 07 Mar 2024 11:00:00 GMT<p>In this episode of the <em>Spirituality in Leadership </em>podcast, Andrew Cohn chats with his longtime friend and mentor, Leslie Boyer, about what it truly means to bring purpose and spiritual awareness into the workplace. Leslie shares her journey, from starting out as a kindergarten teacher to working with high-risk teens, and eventually coaching global corporate teams. Her perspective? Whether you’re five or fifty, people want the same things: to be seen, heard, and understood.</p><p>They explore how culture and geography influence people’s willingness to talk about compassion, forgiveness, and purpose at work. Leslie talks about her experiences coaching teams in Germany and India, and how understanding cultural differences helps build trust and opens the door to more meaningful conversations.</p><p>They also talk about the power of storytelling, deep listening, and self-awareness, especially for leaders. Leslie explains how tuning into your inner motivations (and checking your ego) can make a big difference in how you lead and connect with others. She calls it “practical spirituality,” which is about making purpose and presence part of daily life, not just something you reflect on in quiet moments.</p><p>If you're curious about leading with more clarity and connection, this episode is for you.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Leadership is human development. Whether in classrooms or corporations, we all want to be seen, valued, and heard.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Listening is spiritual practice. True listening requires presence, patience, and the humility to set aside personal agendas.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Stories build connection. Leaders who share personal stories cultivate empathy and understanding across teams and cultures.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Presence is deeper than patience. Being fully here and open creates a natural space for others to reflect, grow, and trust.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Spirituality doesn’t need labels. Forgiveness, acceptance, and purpose are accessible values, even in secular or global workplaces.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Culture matters. Effective leadership requires cultural sensitivity — geographic, generational, and organizational.</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>In This Episode:</strong><br /></p><ul><li></li><li>[00:00] Introduction and universal human needs</li><li></li><li>[01:16] Leslie’s background </li><li></li><li>[03:51] Personal development and passion for practical spirituality</li><li></li><li>[05:40] Teaching kindergarten and corporate lessons</li><li></li><li>[07:04] Early teaching experiences and disillusionment</li><li></li><li>[08:57] Corporate coaching and global work</li><li></li><li>[09:48] Core spiritual dimensions in the workplace</li><li></li><li>[11:13] Cultural differences in openness</li><li></li><li>[11:39] Navigating cultural norms</li><li></li><li>[13:08] Building trust and credibility</li><li></li><li>[15:41] Cultural examples: Germany, Sweden, US</li><li></li><li>[17:50] Storytelling as a bridge</li><li></li><li>[18:12] The value of sharing stories</li><li></li><li>[19:29] Listening and asking questions</li><li></li><li>[20:49] Barriers to listening</li><li></li><li>[23:03] Learning styles and communication</li><li></li><li>[24:37] Self-awareness and leadership</li><li></li><li>[25:49] Holding space and presence</li><li></li><li>[26:32] Self-reflection and inner work</li><li></li><li>[30:39] Commitment to growth and healing</li><li></li><li>[32:12] Trust in something greater</li><li></li><li>[32:53] Spiritual awakening and practice</li><li></li><li>[34:16] Purpose and practical spirituality</li><li></li><li>[36:50] Compassion, teamwork, and new stories</li><li>[37:47] Closing and contact information<br /></li></ul><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Leslie Boyer</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website:<em> </em><a href="https://www.boyershift.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><em>https://www.boyershift.com/</em></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/leslieboyer" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u> https://www.linkedin.com/in/leslieboyer</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</u></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Mentioned</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Getting-Things-Done-Stress-Free-Productivity/dp/0142000280" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><em>Getting Things Done</em></a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/10-happier-with-dan-harris/id1087147821" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><em>10% Happier Podcast</em></a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/10-Happier-Self-Help-Actually-Works/dp/0062265431" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><em>10% Happier Book</em></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p> no00:39:59The Power Of Developing The Bigger Parts Of Ourselves With Leslie Boyerfull    <![CDATA[Lessons in Presence: What a Horse Can Teach Us About Being Human, with Warwick Schiller]]>In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, Andrew Cohn sits down with world-renowned horseman Warwick Schiller for a deeply personal and profound conversation on transformation, emotional intelligence, and the unexpected teachers in life: horses. 

    Warwick opens up about his journey from high-level competition and the pursuit of external validation to a more grounded, spiritually attuned approach to life and horsemanship. What started as trying to “fix” a talented but quirky horse became a mirror that revealed suppressed emotions, judgmental thinking, and the need for deeper connection with self and others. That turning point led him to therapy, self-inquiry, and eventually, the work of Brené Brown, whose insights on vulnerability and emotional suppression hit him like a lightning bolt.

    Warwick shares how therapy, vulnerability, and learning to truly “see” rather than judge, whether a horse or a human reshaped not only how he trains, but how he lives. He explores how presence, empathy, and self-awareness create real leadership, both in and out of the arena. 

    If you’ve ever felt that personal growth could come from the most unlikely of places, this episode is for you.


    Key Takeaways

    • Horses Mirror Our Inner State: Often, the behavior we’re trying to “fix” in others, horse or human, reflects unresolved energy within ourselves.

    • Presence Over Patience: True leadership comes from being deeply present, not just waiting for a desired outcome.

    • Judgment Undermines Connection: Becoming aware of judgmental thoughts, especially self-judgment, creates space for compassion, clarity, and healing.

    • You Can’t Lead What You Haven’t Met in Yourself: Personal growth and leadership are intimately tied; as we heal ourselves, we lead better.

    • Functional Doesn’t Mean Whole: Like people, some horses appear to perform well but are emotionally shut down. Healing begins with seeing.

    • The Universe Responds to Purity of Intention: True service, offered without expectation, opens unexpected doors.


    In This Episode:


    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Lessons-in-Presence-What-a-Horse-Can-Teach-Us-About-Being-Human--with-Warwick-Schiller-e36sr1qe9c65edb-6bd9-49cb-82f4-e09d788cb4b8Wed, 09 Jul 2025 12:50:00 GMT<p>In this episode of <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em>, Andrew Cohn sits down with world-renowned horseman Warwick Schiller for a deeply personal and profound conversation on transformation, emotional intelligence, and the unexpected teachers in life: horses. </p><p>Warwick opens up about his journey from high-level competition and the pursuit of external validation to a more grounded, spiritually attuned approach to life and horsemanship. What started as trying to “fix” a talented but quirky horse became a mirror that revealed suppressed emotions, judgmental thinking, and the need for deeper connection with self and others. That turning point led him to therapy, self-inquiry, and eventually, the work of Brené Brown, whose insights on vulnerability and emotional suppression hit him like a lightning bolt.</p><p>Warwick shares how therapy, vulnerability, and learning to truly “see” rather than judge, whether a horse or a human reshaped not only how he trains, but how he lives. He explores how presence, empathy, and self-awareness create real leadership, both in and out of the arena. </p><p>If you’ve ever felt that personal growth could come from the most unlikely of places, this episode is for you.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Horses Mirror Our Inner State: Often, the behavior we’re trying to “fix” in others, horse or human, reflects unresolved energy within ourselves.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Presence Over Patience: True leadership comes from being deeply present, not just waiting for a desired outcome.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Judgment Undermines Connection: Becoming aware of judgmental thoughts, especially self-judgment, creates space for compassion, clarity, and healing.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>You Can’t Lead What You Haven’t Met in Yourself: Personal growth and leadership are intimately tied; as we heal ourselves, we lead better.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Functional Doesn’t Mean Whole: Like people, some horses appear to perform well but are emotionally shut down. Healing begins with seeing.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>The Universe Responds to Purity of Intention: True service, offered without expectation, opens unexpected doors.</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>In This Episode:</strong><br /></p><ul><li></li><li>[00:00] Introduction and personal realization</li><li></li><li>[00:16] The transformative power of horses</li><li></li><li>[01:00] Introduction to Warwick Schiller</li><li></li><li>[02:38] Warwick Schiller's journey and insights</li><li></li><li>[04:49] The shift from competition to personal growth</li><li></li><li>[08:06] Therapy and emotional awareness</li><li></li><li>[10:15] Impact of therapy on horse training</li><li></li><li>[23:38] Judgmental thoughts and personal growth</li><li></li><li>[35:06] The magic of giving without expectation</li><li></li><li>[39:58] Exploring sensitivity: Horses vs. humans</li><li></li><li>[42:46] Understanding the root cause: The five whys</li><li></li><li>[45:07] Patience vs. presence: Lessons from horses</li><li></li><li>[51:37] Seeing without judgment: A new perspective</li><li></li><li>[01:00:52] The power of purpose: A personal journey</li><li>[01:10:50] Conclusion: Applying wisdom beyond horses<br /></li><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Warwick Schiller</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website:<em> </em><a href="https://go.warwickschiller.com/online-horse-trainer-videos?utm1&amp;gc_id=20979336943&amp;h_ad_id=689111218205&amp;gad_source=1&amp;gad_campaignid=20979336943&amp;gbraid=0AAAAADiXgm4crk9zf1mm8nAPkVX0QDQWm&amp;gclid=CjwKCAjwqKzEBhANEiwAeQaPVW4kKU9eaj0Sr3OvxRBt5ZpbOGZDSBV6b5LWKf6tf16RgolzTyiFnhoCi5MQAvD_BwE" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em>https://go.warwickschiller.com/online-horse-trainer</em></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/warwick-schiller-23b76968" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/warwick-schiller-23b76968</a></p></li><li><p>Facebook Fanpage: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/Warwickschillerfanpage/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/Warwickschillerfanpage/</a></p></li><li><p>Facebook Group: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/WarwickSchillerPerformanceHorsemanship/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/groups/WarwickSchillerPerformanceHorsemanship/</a></p></li><li><p>YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/warwickschiller" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/warwickschiller</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul></ul><p><br /></p> no01:13:42Lessons in Presence: What a Horse Can Teach Us About Being Human, with Warwick Schillerfull    <![CDATA[Why The Qualities Of A Spiritual Life Are Important To Leadership Development With Amy Elizabeth Fox]]>There are very powerful ways that our individual spiritual dimensions help us in our work and very practical ways that workplace conversations about spirituality can engage and align work teams. In this episode of the podcast, Andrew is joined by the CEO of  Mobius Executive Leadership, Amy Elizabeth Fox, who discusses the importance of being in tune with our deeper selves, and how our spiritual and internal development/healing is instrumental to how we lead and support others. Amy talks about stepping into vulnerability, living from a self-loving heart, healing from trauma, and how leaders can increase their emotional footprint so as to build a stronger relational infrastructure. This is a rich conversation about the power of spirituality to create more mature leaders and healthier organizations

    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Why-The-Qualities-Of-A-Spiritual-Life-Are-Important-To-Leadership-Development-With-Amy-Elizabeth-Fox-e2svkp1pDC-3-Ex5Thu, 07 Dec 2023 11:00:00 GMT<p><span>There are very powerful ways that our individual spiritual dimensions help us in our work and very practical ways that workplace conversations about spirituality can engage and align work teams. In this episode of the podcast, Andrew is joined by the CEO of</span><a href="https://www.mobiusleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">  Mobius Executive Leadership</a><span>,</span><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/amyelizabethfox/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"> Amy Elizabeth Fox</a><span>, who discusses the importance of being in tune with our deeper selves, and how our spiritual and internal development/healing is instrumental to how we lead and support others. Amy talks about stepping into vulnerability, living from a self-loving heart, healing from trauma, and how leaders can increase their emotional footprint so as to build a stronger relational infrastructure. This is a rich conversation about the power of spirituality to create more mature leaders and healthier organizations</span></p> no00:33:43Why The Qualities Of A Spiritual Life Are Important To Leadership Development With Amy Elizabeth Foxfull    <![CDATA[When Leadership Becomes Service: A Life Shaped by Faith and Integrity, with James McPherson]]>In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn sits down with mentor, attorney, consultant, and longtime leadership practitioner James McPherson for a deeply grounded conversation on servant leadership, conviction, and living one’s faith with integrity in the workplace.

    James reflects on a lifetime of leadership across diverse environments, including the U.S. Air Force, Fortune 500 companies, law firms, higher education, healthcare systems, and federal government service, and shares how his Christian faith has consistently shaped how he leads rather than what he preaches. From a pivotal spiritual awakening as a college freshman in the early 1970s to his belief in servant leadership long before it became a management framework, James describes leadership as an expression of love, stewardship, humility, and responsibility for others’ growth.

    Throughout the conversation, James and Andrew explore what it means to lead without evangelizing, to stay rooted in values without imposing them, and to model spirituality through presence, patience, self-control, and genuine care for people. James shares vivid stories, from turning down career-advancing opportunities that conflicted with his values, to empowering frontline employees, to designing and teaching servant leadership programs that organically inspired others.

    This episode is a powerful reminder that spirituality in leadership is not about labels or persuasion. It is about how we show up, how we treat people, and how deeply we commit to helping others flourish.


    Key Takeaways

    • Servant Leadership as a Way of Life: James embraced servant leadership through faith before it became a formal leadership concept.

    • Conviction Over Career Advancement: Choosing values over promotion can open unexpected and meaningful paths.

    • Faith Lived, Not Preached: Spiritual leadership is expressed through behavior, humility, and care, not evangelizing.

    • Leadership Begins with Awareness: Knowing what drives us and what triggers us is essential for effective leadership.

    • Humility Attracts, Ego Repels: People are drawn to leaders who put others first and remain grounded.

    • Stewardship and Integrity Matter: Leaders are responsible for people, resources, and long-term impact.

    • Empowerment Creates Excellence: Trusting and developing people leads to extraordinary performance.

    • Inclusion Through Example: Making space for spirituality at work begins by modeling respect and humanity.


      In This Episode:

      • [00:00] Opening reflections and introduction

      • [01:24] Introducing James McPherson and his leadership background

      • [05:58] Spirituality as the foundation of leadership

      • [09:20] Love for people as a leadership throughline

      • [10:53] A spiritual awakening and choosing a life of service

      • [12:34] Learning servant leadership from Scripture

      • [15:39] Values-based decisions in the U.S. Air Force

      • [19:36] Choosing conviction over career trajectory

      • [22:46] Faith, humility, and leadership in secular environments

      • [26:36] Integrity, stewardship, and developing people

      • [28:18] Empowerment and leadership in practice

      • [31:37] Navigating faith in diverse workplaces

      • [36:41] Teaching servant leadership and its ripple effects

      • [41:30] Making spirituality easier to live at work

      • [45:06] Closing reflections and invitation


      Resources and Links

      Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

      James McPherson

      Andrew Cohn

      Music: 


    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/When-Leadership-Becomes-Service-A-Life-Shaped-by-Faith-and-Integrity--with-James-McPherson-e2svkpnY7_zbolPGWed, 19 Jun 2024 10:00:00 GMT<p>In this episode of <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em>, host Andrew Cohn sits down with mentor, attorney, consultant, and longtime leadership practitioner James McPherson for a deeply grounded conversation on servant leadership, conviction, and living one’s faith with integrity in the workplace.</p><p>James reflects on a lifetime of leadership across diverse environments, including the U.S. Air Force, Fortune 500 companies, law firms, higher education, healthcare systems, and federal government service, and shares how his Christian faith has consistently shaped how he leads rather than what he preaches. From a pivotal spiritual awakening as a college freshman in the early 1970s to his belief in servant leadership long before it became a management framework, James describes leadership as an expression of love, stewardship, humility, and responsibility for others’ growth.</p><p>Throughout the conversation, James and Andrew explore what it means to lead without evangelizing, to stay rooted in values without imposing them, and to model spirituality through presence, patience, self-control, and genuine care for people. James shares vivid stories, from turning down career-advancing opportunities that conflicted with his values, to empowering frontline employees, to designing and teaching servant leadership programs that organically inspired others.</p><p>This episode is a powerful reminder that spirituality in leadership is not about labels or persuasion. It is about how we show up, how we treat people, and how deeply we commit to helping others flourish.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p><strong>Servant Leadership as a Way of Life:</strong> James embraced servant leadership through faith before it became a formal leadership concept.</p></li><li><p><strong>Conviction Over Career Advancement:</strong> Choosing values over promotion can open unexpected and meaningful paths.</p></li><li><p><strong>Faith Lived, Not Preached:</strong> Spiritual leadership is expressed through behavior, humility, and care, not evangelizing.</p></li><li><p><strong>Leadership Begins with Awareness:</strong> Knowing what drives us and what triggers us is essential for effective leadership.</p></li><li><p><strong>Humility Attracts, Ego Repels:</strong> People are drawn to leaders who put others first and remain grounded.</p></li><li><p><strong>Stewardship and Integrity Matter:</strong> Leaders are responsible for people, resources, and long-term impact.</p></li><li><p><strong>Empowerment Creates Excellence:</strong> Trusting and developing people leads to extraordinary performance.</p></li><li><p><strong>Inclusion Through Example:</strong> Making space for spirituality at work begins by modeling respect and humanity.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:00] Opening reflections and introduction</p></li><li><p>[01:24] Introducing James McPherson and his leadership background</p></li><li><p>[05:58] Spirituality as the foundation of leadership</p></li><li><p>[09:20] Love for people as a leadership throughline</p></li><li><p>[10:53] A spiritual awakening and choosing a life of service</p></li><li><p>[12:34] Learning servant leadership from Scripture</p></li><li><p>[15:39] Values-based decisions in the U.S. Air Force</p></li><li><p>[19:36] Choosing conviction over career trajectory</p></li><li><p>[22:46] Faith, humility, and leadership in secular environments</p></li><li><p>[26:36] Integrity, stewardship, and developing people</p></li><li><p>[28:18] Empowerment and leadership in practice</p></li><li><p>[31:37] Navigating faith in diverse workplaces</p></li><li><p>[36:41] Teaching servant leadership and its ripple effects</p></li><li><p>[41:30] Making spirituality easier to live at work</p></li><li><p>[45:06] Closing reflections and invitation</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</u></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>James McPherson</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-mcpherson-6419673/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-mcpherson-6419673/</u></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</u></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</u></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p></li></ul> no00:46:44When Leadership Becomes Service: A Life Shaped by Faith and Integrity, with James McPhersonfull    <![CDATA[What Happens When Leaders Pause? Mindfulness as a Leadership Tool, with Rebecca Wilson]]>In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Rebecca Wilson, executive coach, mindfulness teacher, and founder of Arborvida, an organization dedicated to helping leaders cultivate self-awareness, purpose, and conscious leadership from the inside out.

    Together, they explore what happens when leaders slow down, cut through the noise, and reconnect with their deeper sense of meaning. Andrew and Rebecca dive into why leadership is ultimately an inner journey and how greater self-awareness, intention, and presence can transform the way we lead, make decisions, and show up for others.

    They also unpack real challenges leaders face, like burnout, overwhelm, and the constant pressure to “do more,” while offering practical tools to lead with clarity, impact, and fulfillment, whether it’s honoring silence in meetings, setting clear intentions, or creating space for reflection.

    Rebecca also shares details about her latest initiative, The Conscious Leaders Collective – a peer-driven community supporting mindful, purpose-driven leaders navigating today’s fast-paced, high-pressure environments.

    If you’re a leader looking to expand your impact, avoid burnout, and lead with more presence, this episode offers valuable insights and inspiration for the journey.


    Key Takeaways

    • Leadership is an inside job. True leadership starts with self-awareness, reflection, and intentional action.

    • Quiet the noise to hear your inner compass. Slowing down reveals the subtle insights that guide purpose-driven leadership.

    • Small practices create big shifts. Moments of silence, pausing to set intentions, and simple reflective questions help leaders reconnect with what matters.

    • Leaders shape culture through energy, not just words. How you show up impacts your team as much as what you say or do.

    • Spirituality in leadership is human, not hierarchical. It’s about connection, fulfillment, and meaning, not religion or exclusion.

    • Community matters. Peer-to-peer spaces for reflection help leaders stay anchored in their values and purpose.


      In This Episode:

    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/What-Happens-When-Leaders-Pause--Mindfulness-as-a-Leadership-Tool--with-Rebecca-Wilson-e35j24u175e1de0-2b90-4236-a539-3df2e7eb9742Wed, 28 May 2025 12:48:00 GMT<p>In this episode of the <em>Spirituality in Leadership </em>podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Rebecca Wilson, executive coach, mindfulness teacher, and founder of Arborvida, an organization dedicated to helping leaders cultivate self-awareness, purpose, and conscious leadership from the inside out.</p><p>Together, they explore what happens when leaders slow down, cut through the noise, and reconnect with their deeper sense of meaning. Andrew and Rebecca dive into why leadership is ultimately an inner journey and how greater self-awareness, intention, and presence can transform the way we lead, make decisions, and show up for others.</p><p>They also unpack real challenges leaders face, like burnout, overwhelm, and the constant pressure to “do more,” while offering practical tools to lead with clarity, impact, and fulfillment, whether it’s honoring silence in meetings, setting clear intentions, or creating space for reflection.</p><p>Rebecca also shares details about her latest initiative, <a href="https://www.arborvida.com/the-collective" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em>The Conscious Leaders Collective</em></a> – a peer-driven community supporting mindful, purpose-driven leaders navigating today’s fast-paced, high-pressure environments.</p><p>If you’re a leader looking to expand your impact, avoid burnout, and lead with more presence, this episode offers valuable insights and inspiration for the journey.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Leadership is an inside job. True leadership starts with self-awareness, reflection, and intentional action.</p></li><li><p>Quiet the noise to hear your inner compass. Slowing down reveals the subtle insights that guide purpose-driven leadership.</p></li><li><p>Small practices create big shifts. Moments of silence, pausing to set intentions, and simple reflective questions help leaders reconnect with what matters.</p></li><li><p>Leaders shape culture through energy, not just words. How you show up impacts your team as much as what you say or do.</p></li><li><p>Spirituality in leadership is human, not hierarchical. It’s about connection, fulfillment, and meaning, not religion or exclusion.</p></li><li><p>Community matters. Peer-to-peer spaces for reflection help leaders stay anchored in their values and purpose.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:00] Introduction to the invitational approach</p></li><li><p>[00:39] Value of language in spiritual development</p></li><li><p>[01:19] Podcast introduction and guest background</p></li><li><p>[03:00] Rebecca’s journey into spirituality and leadership</p></li><li><p>[03:42] Challenges of spiritual language in the workplace</p></li><li><p>[06:05] Rebecca’s coaching approach and client resonance</p></li><li><p>[08:14] Practicality and inclusivity in coaching</p></li><li><p>[09:27] Examples of coaching work and client challenges</p></li><li><p>[12:34] Case study: burnout and reconnection</p></li><li><p>[17:40] Depth and root causes in coaching</p></li><li><p>[18:13] Encouraging leaders to foster deeper conversations</p></li><li><p>[19:14] Embodiment and leading by example</p></li><li><p>[20:37] Simple practices for leaders: silence and questions</p></li><li><p>[23:30] Intention setting in leadership</p></li><li><p>[27:12] Self-awareness and flexibility in leadership</p></li><li><p>[30:12] Rebecca’s coaching model and peer groups</p></li><li><p>[33:18] Sustaining growth through community</p></li><li><p>[35:00] Finding Rebecca and final reflections</p></li><li><p>[36:40] Closing remarks and podcast outro</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Rebecca Wilson</strong></p><ul><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccawilsoncoaching" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccawilsoncoaching</a></p></li><li><p>Arborvida :<a href="https://www.arborvida.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"> https://www.arborvida.com/</a></p></li><li><p>The Conscious Leaders Collective: <a href="https://www.arborvida.com/the-collective" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.arborvida.com/the-collective</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p></li></ul></li></ul> no00:37:11What Happens When Leaders Pause? Mindfulness as a Leadership Tool, with Rebecca Wilsonfull    <![CDATA[Hungry For More: What Our Cravings Reveal About Leadership and Well-Being, with Dr. Adrienne Youdim]]>What if the key to better leadership wasn't about working harder, but about understanding a deeper, often ignored, inner hunger? What if the stress, reactivity, and burnout so common in leadership are actually symptoms of a spiritual and emotional famine?

    In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Dr. Adrienne Youdim, a weight loss physician and mind-body medicine practitioner, to explore the concept of "inner hunger." Dr. Adrienne argues that beneath the surface of our busy lives and professional ambitions lies a universal hunger for validation, autonomy, respite, and self-compassion. When left unmet, we try to feed these hungers with distractions like overworking, people-pleasing, or perfectionism, leading to a cycle of stress and disconnection.

    Drawing from her new book, Hungry for More, and her own journey from a high-achieving "white coat" physician to a holistic practitioner, Dr. Adrienne makes a compelling case that leadership requires a foundational practice of self-awareness and self-care. She shares powerful, practical tools—from conscious breathing to body scanning—that literally change our physiology, quiet the noise, and allow us to access the "deep down" wisdom we all possess.

    This episode is an invitation to pause, recognize your own hungers, and learn how feeding them is not self-indulgent, but essential for clear-headed, intentional, and sustainable leadership


    Key Takeaways

    • The Second Hunger Beyond physical cravings lies an emotional and spiritual hunger, unmet needs that drive behavior and often lead us away from what we value.

    • Hunger as a Messenger Adrienne encourages leaning in to hunger as information, a signal pointing toward what is missing or neglected.

    • Agency as a Spiritual Practice Personal agency, the ability to direct one’s life, is closely linked to spirituality because it anchors empowerment and meaning.

    • The Power of the Pause Breathing, walking, journaling, and stillness help create space between trigger and reaction, a key to accessing inner wisdom.

    • The Physiology of Stress Chronic stress shuts down clear thinking and creativity. Simple practices like breathwork or body relaxation directly reset the nervous system.

    • Universal Hunger After thousands of patient encounters, Adrienne observed that inner hunger is universal across age, profession, culture, and status.

    • Creating Time for What You Value Time for well-being is not found. It is created. Personal health directly supports professional and relational health.


      In This Episode:

      • [00:01] Introduction to emotional and spiritual hunger

      • [04:21] Dr. Youdim’s background and upbringing

      • [06:07] Agency, empowerment, and spirituality

      • [09:21] Understanding and redirecting hunger

      • [10:08] Types of hunger and neglecting needs

      • [12:07] Spiritual hunger defined

      • [14:53] Practical barriers to stillness

      • [18:54] Tactics for accessing stillness

      • [20:57] Breathing and physiological regulation

      • [24:28] Stress response and leadership function

      • [28:17] Guided relaxation and body awareness

      • [32:55] Personal story: perfectionism and achievement

      • [36:56] Integrating science, experience, and spirituality

      • [39:19] Time, value, and well-being

      • [41:05] Teachable moments and external triggers

      • [43:25] Conclusion and resources


      Resources and Links

      Spirituality in Leadership Podcast


      Dr. Adrienne Youdim


      Andrew Cohn


      Music: 


    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Hungry-For-More-What-Our-Cravings-Reveal-About-Leadership-and-Well-Being--with-Dr--Adrienne-Youdim-e3c583c3b97892f-cc9e-4bc9-b1b0-4185bab16eaeWed, 26 Nov 2025 06:02:00 GMT<p>What if the key to better leadership wasn't about working harder, but about understanding a deeper, often ignored, inner hunger? What if the stress, reactivity, and burnout so common in leadership are actually symptoms of a spiritual and emotional famine?</p><p>In this episode of<em> Spirituality in Leadership,</em> host Andrew Cohn sits down with Dr. Adrienne Youdim, a weight loss physician and mind-body medicine practitioner, to explore the concept of "inner hunger." Dr. Adrienne argues that beneath the surface of our busy lives and professional ambitions lies a universal hunger for validation, autonomy, respite, and self-compassion. When left unmet, we try to feed these hungers with distractions like overworking, people-pleasing, or perfectionism, leading to a cycle of stress and disconnection.</p><p>Drawing from her new book, <em>Hungry for More,</em> and her own journey from a high-achieving "white coat" physician to a holistic practitioner, Dr. Adrienne makes a compelling case that leadership requires a foundational practice of self-awareness and self-care. She shares powerful, practical tools—from conscious breathing to body scanning—that literally change our physiology, quiet the noise, and allow us to access the "deep down" wisdom we all possess.</p><p>This episode is an invitation to pause, recognize your own hungers, and learn how feeding them is not self-indulgent, but essential for clear-headed, intentional, and sustainable leadership</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p><strong>The Second Hunger</strong> Beyond physical cravings lies an emotional and spiritual hunger, unmet needs that drive behavior and often lead us away from what we value.</p></li><li><p><strong>Hunger as a Messenger</strong> Adrienne encourages leaning in to hunger as information, a signal pointing toward what is missing or neglected.</p></li><li><p><strong>Agency as a Spiritual Practice</strong> Personal agency, the ability to direct one’s life, is closely linked to spirituality because it anchors empowerment and meaning.</p></li><li><p><strong>The Power of the Pause</strong> Breathing, walking, journaling, and stillness help create space between trigger and reaction, a key to accessing inner wisdom.</p></li><li><p><strong>The Physiology of Stress</strong> Chronic stress shuts down clear thinking and creativity. Simple practices like breathwork or body relaxation directly reset the nervous system.</p></li><li><p><strong>Universal Hunger</strong> After thousands of patient encounters, Adrienne observed that inner hunger is universal across age, profession, culture, and status.</p></li><li><p><strong>Creating Time for What You Value</strong> Time for well-being is not found. It is created. Personal health directly supports professional and relational health.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:01] Introduction to emotional and spiritual hunger</p></li><li><p>[04:21] Dr. Youdim’s background and upbringing</p></li><li><p>[06:07] Agency, empowerment, and spirituality</p></li><li><p>[09:21] Understanding and redirecting hunger</p></li><li><p>[10:08] Types of hunger and neglecting needs</p></li><li><p>[12:07] Spiritual hunger defined</p></li><li><p>[14:53] Practical barriers to stillness</p></li><li><p>[18:54] Tactics for accessing stillness</p></li><li><p>[20:57] Breathing and physiological regulation</p></li><li><p>[24:28] Stress response and leadership function</p></li><li><p>[28:17] Guided relaxation and body awareness</p></li><li><p>[32:55] Personal story: perfectionism and achievement</p></li><li><p>[36:56] Integrating science, experience, and spirituality</p></li><li><p>[39:19] Time, value, and well-being</p></li><li><p>[41:05] Teachable moments and external triggers</p></li><li><p>[43:25] Conclusion and resources</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Dr. Adrienne Youdim</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website:<a href="https://www.dradrienneyoudim.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.dradrienneyoudim.com/</a></p></li><li><p>Email: <a href="mailto:dr@dradrienneyoudim.com" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">dr@dradrienneyoudim.com</a></p></li><li><p>Book: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Hungry-More-Stories-Science-Inspire/dp/057891686X" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"><em>Hungry for More: Stories and Science to Inspire Weight Loss from the Inside Out</em></a></p></li><li><p>TEDx Talk: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFpeEOeEZVg" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Your Hunger is the Key to Understanding Your Unmet Needs</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p></li></ul> no00:45:05Hungry For More: What Our Cravings Reveal About Leadership and Well-Being, with Dr. Adrienne Youdimfull    <![CDATA[How Men Can Embrace Vulnerability to Foster Authentic Connections, with Gino Peremans]]>In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Gino Peremans, a men’s work expert and leadership coach from Belgium. Gino’s journey is both gripping and inspiring—from a challenging childhood to becoming a mentor for men seeking to break free from societal expectations. He shares how he went from feeling lost and disconnected to creating spaces where men can rediscover their true selves.

    Gino dives deep into the importance of vulnerability, connection, and building healthy communities of men. He talks about the retreats he leads—transformative experiences where men step away from the pressures of performance and status to embrace their inner lives. But this isn’t just theory; Gino offers practical tools to bring this mindset into your personal and professional life. Whether you’re leading a team, a family, or just yourself, his insights are game-changing.

    This conversation is for anyone who’s ever felt the weight of pretending to be someone they’re not. Gino’s message is clear: true leadership starts with authenticity. Tune in to discover how you can step into a new kind of strength—one rooted in vulnerability, connection, and your truest self.

    Key Takeaways

    • Exploration of men's work and healthy masculinity

    • Challenges men face regarding vulnerability and societal expectations

    • Importance of creating deeper connections and conversations among men

    • Personal journey and experiences of the guest related to emotional expression

    • Societal pressures on men to perform and provide

    • The concept of brotherhood and support among men

    • Impact of modern distractions, such as social media, on genuine connections

    • Establishing safe spaces for men to share vulnerabilities

    • The role of curiosity and reflection in personal growth

    • The potential ripple effects of men's work on families and communities


    In This Episode:

    • [00:00] Introduction to addiction and external validation  

    • [01:09] Meet Gino: background and professional journey  

    • [08:41] Gino's personal journey and struggles  

    • [14:21] The role of vulnerability and brotherhood in men's work  

    • [17:32] Challenges of modern masculinity and distraction  

    • [22:22] Challenges faced by executives and managers  

    • [23:25] The concept of a healthy tribe  

    • [24:28] Building a sense of community  

    • [25:22] Encouraging vulnerability and personal sharing  

    • [29:02] Introducing Gentle Giants

    • [32:15] Practical tools for corporate settings  

    • [35:32] Reconnecting with the body  

    • [38:17] Conclusion and resources 


    Resources and Links

    Spirituality in Leadership Podcast


    Gino Peremans


    Andrew Cohn


    Music: 
    Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/How-Men-Can-Embrace-Vulnerability-to-Foster-Authentic-Connections--with-Gino-Peremans-e316k2i0ce3635c-e43c-4406-ad56-e3c7fc37d519Wed, 12 Mar 2025 00:54:00 GMT<p>In this episode of the<em> Spirituality in Leadership </em>podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Gino Peremans, a men’s work expert and leadership coach from Belgium. Gino’s journey is both gripping and inspiring—from a challenging childhood to becoming a mentor for men seeking to break free from societal expectations. He shares how he went from feeling lost and disconnected to creating spaces where men can rediscover their true selves.</p><p>Gino dives deep into the importance of vulnerability, connection, and building healthy communities of men. He talks about the retreats he leads—transformative experiences where men step away from the pressures of performance and status to embrace their inner lives. But this isn’t just theory; Gino offers practical tools to bring this mindset into your personal and professional life. Whether you’re leading a team, a family, or just yourself, his insights are game-changing.</p><p>This conversation is for anyone who’s ever felt the weight of pretending to be someone they’re not. Gino’s message is clear: true leadership starts with authenticity. Tune in to discover how you can step into a new kind of strength—one rooted in vulnerability, connection, and your truest self.</p><p><strong>Key Takeaways</strong></p><ul><li><p>Exploration of men's work and healthy masculinity</p></li><li><p>Challenges men face regarding vulnerability and societal expectations</p></li><li><p>Importance of creating deeper connections and conversations among men</p></li><li><p>Personal journey and experiences of the guest related to emotional expression</p></li><li><p>Societal pressures on men to perform and provide</p></li><li><p>The concept of brotherhood and support among men</p></li><li><p>Impact of modern distractions, such as social media, on genuine connections</p></li><li><p>Establishing safe spaces for men to share vulnerabilities</p></li><li><p>The role of curiosity and reflection in personal growth</p></li><li><p>The potential ripple effects of men's work on families and communities</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:00] Introduction to addiction and external validation  </p></li><li><p>[01:09] Meet Gino: background and professional journey  </p></li><li><p>[08:41] Gino's personal journey and struggles  </p></li><li><p>[14:21] The role of vulnerability and brotherhood in men's work  </p></li><li><p>[17:32] Challenges of modern masculinity and distraction  </p></li><li><p>[22:22] Challenges faced by executives and managers  </p></li><li><p>[23:25] The concept of a healthy tribe  </p></li><li><p>[24:28] Building a sense of community  </p></li><li><p>[25:22] Encouraging vulnerability and personal sharing  </p></li><li><p>[29:02] Introducing Gentle Giants</p></li><li><p>[32:15] Practical tools for corporate settings  </p></li><li><p>[35:32] Reconnecting with the body  </p></li><li><p>[38:17] Conclusion and resources </p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Gino Peremans</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.ginoperemans.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.ginoperemans.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn:<a href="https://be.linkedin.com/in/ginoperemans" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://be.linkedin.com/in/ginoperemans</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong><br />Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a><br /></p> no00:41:20How Men Can Embrace Vulnerability to Foster Authentic Connections, with Gino Peremansfull    <![CDATA[Bringing the Human Spirit Back to Life in the Corporate World, with Steve Hart]]>How can one’s personal experiences with life and meaning translate into corporate leadership and a legacy of meaning? In this powerful conversation on the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Steve Hart, educator, leadership coach, musician, and former executive at the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia, to explore the deep connection between the human spirit, meaningful work, and adaptive leadership.


    Steve opens up about a transformative near-death experience that reshaped his entire life, and how that moment of awakening fuels his mission to infuse workplaces with soul, trust, and purpose. Steve brings wisdom, warmth, and clarity from his early days as a special education teacher to leading large-scale cultural shifts in government and nonprofit organizations.


    You’ll hear about the surprising lessons leadership can take from nature (particularly Zoysia grass!), how reflection becomes a gateway to growth, and why trust is the bedrock of real transformation. Whether you're leading a team or navigating your inner shift, this episode is a blueprint for blending practical leadership with deeper personal truth.


    Key Takeaways

    • Why leadership starts with trust, not tactics

    • The “warrior and artist” polarity is one that every great leader must balance

    • Steve’s near-death experience and how it sparked a lifelong transformation

    • How to lead organizational culture shifts with empathy and vision

    • What quantum physics and zoysia grass can teach us about change

    • The role of reflection and safe spaces in leadership development

    • How places like Cranaleith Spiritual Center (https://cranaleith.org) offer renewal for leaders and frontline workers alike


    In This Episode:

    • [00:00] Introduction and near-death experience

    • [00:14] Leadership foundations in special education

    • [00:34] Podcast introduction and guest overview

    • [01:09] Steve Hart's leadership journey

    • [03:20] Connecting spirituality and leadership

    • [05:23] Special education insights and leadership

    • [10:20] Transforming leadership at the Federal Reserve

    • [20:21] Personal transformation and near-death experience

    • [27:11] Spiritual experiences and family connections

    • [27:49] Discovering Life After Life

    • [28:14] Introduction to Cran Oleth

    • [28:25] The history and mission of Cranaleith

    • [30:20] Personal reflections and leadership at Cran Oleth

    • [32:58] Connecting spirituality with corporate leadership

    • [42:43] Adaptive leadership and organizational change

    • [48:34] Final thoughts and resources


    Resources and Links

    Spirituality in Leadership Podcast


    Steve Hart


    Andrew Cohn


    Music: 
    Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Bringing-the-Human-Spirit-Back-to-Life-in-the-Corporate-World--with-Steve-Hart-e31pgt413d464b8-f982-4245-9523-6f36c28c3b0aWed, 02 Apr 2025 07:00:00 GMT<p>How can one’s personal experiences with life and meaning translate into corporate leadership and a legacy of meaning? In this powerful conversation on the<em> Spirituality in Leadership </em>podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Steve Hart, educator, leadership coach, musician, and former executive at the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia, to explore the deep connection between the human spirit, meaningful work, and adaptive leadership.</p><p><br /></p><p>Steve opens up about a transformative near-death experience that reshaped his entire life, and how that moment of awakening fuels his mission to infuse workplaces with soul, trust, and purpose. Steve brings wisdom, warmth, and clarity from his early days as a special education teacher to leading large-scale cultural shifts in government and nonprofit organizations.</p><p><br /></p><p>You’ll hear about the surprising lessons leadership can take from nature (particularly Zoysia grass!), how reflection becomes a gateway to growth, and why trust is the bedrock of real transformation. Whether you're leading a team or navigating your inner shift, this episode is a blueprint for blending practical leadership with deeper personal truth.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Key Takeaways</strong></p><ul><li><p>Why leadership starts with trust, not tactics</p></li><li><p>The “warrior and artist” polarity is one that every great leader must balance</p></li><li><p>Steve’s near-death experience and how it sparked a lifelong transformation</p></li><li><p>How to lead organizational culture shifts with empathy and vision</p></li><li><p>What quantum physics and zoysia grass can teach us about change</p></li><li><p>The role of reflection and safe spaces in leadership development</p></li><li><p>How places like Cranaleith Spiritual Center (<a href="https://cranaleith.org" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://cranaleith.org</a>) offer renewal for leaders and frontline workers alike</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:00] Introduction and near-death experience</p></li><li><p>[00:14] Leadership foundations in special education</p></li><li><p>[00:34] Podcast introduction and guest overview</p></li><li><p>[01:09] Steve Hart's leadership journey</p></li><li><p>[03:20] Connecting spirituality and leadership</p></li><li><p>[05:23] Special education insights and leadership</p></li><li><p>[10:20] Transforming leadership at the Federal Reserve</p></li><li><p>[20:21] Personal transformation and near-death experience</p></li><li><p>[27:11] Spiritual experiences and family connections</p></li><li><p>[27:49] Discovering <em>Life After Life</em></p></li><li><p>[28:14] Introduction to Cran Oleth</p></li><li><p>[28:25] The history and mission of Cranaleith</p></li><li><p>[30:20] Personal reflections and leadership at Cran Oleth</p></li><li><p>[32:58] Connecting spirituality with corporate leadership</p></li><li><p>[42:43] Adaptive leadership and organizational change</p></li><li><p>[48:34] Final thoughts and resources</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Steve Hart</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.theprofessionaldevelopmentgroup.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.theprofessionaldevelopmentgroup.com/</a></p></li><li><p>Cranaleith Spiritual Center: <a href="https://cranaleith.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://cranaleith.org/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong><br />Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a><br /></p> no00:51:10Bringing the Human Spirit Back to Life in the Corporate World, with Steve Hartfull    <![CDATA[Cultivating Growth and Trust: A Holistic Approach to Leadership, with Dr. Erika Kleestorfer]]>In this thought-provoking episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn is joined by Dr. Erika Kleestorfer, a seasoned leadership consultant and executive coach. With over two decades of experience in corporate leadership development, Dr. Kleestorfer offers invaluable insights into the intersection of spirituality and leadership. She shares her unique perspective on how understanding one’s essence, core values, and inner light can help leaders navigate challenges and inspire teams to thrive.


    Drawing on her extensive experience working with global organizations including IBM, Dr. Kleestorfer explains how spirituality in leadership is not just a concept, but a practice that enhances business success, team cohesion, and individual fulfillment. From creating a safe space for emotional growth to utilizing frameworks like the PERMA model, this episode provides both spiritual wisdom and practical tools for leaders at all levels.


    Key Takeaways


    • How understanding your true essence as a leader can transform your team and organization

    • The importance of asking deep, reflective questions to uncover core values and beliefs

    • How to cultivate trust and emotional safety within teams to foster open and honest conversations

    • The connection between root cause analysis and spiritual leadership in navigating complex challenges

    • Why the PERMA model is essential in fostering positive workplace climates and employee well-being

    • The impact of generational shifts on leadership and how younger employees are changing the workplace dynamics
    • Practical tools for integrating spirituality and leadership to achieve both personal and organizational growth


    In This Episode:

    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Cultivating-Growth-and-Trust-A-Holistic-Approach-to-Leadership--with-Dr--Erika-Kleestorfer-e32h4n89d263ba8-0255-4338-a57b-23b20eb363eeWed, 16 Apr 2025 00:53:00 GMT<p>In this thought-provoking episode of the <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em> podcast, Andrew Cohn is joined by Dr. Erika Kleestorfer, a seasoned leadership consultant and executive coach. With over two decades of experience in corporate leadership development, Dr. Kleestorfer offers invaluable insights into the intersection of spirituality and leadership. She shares her unique perspective on how understanding one’s essence, core values, and inner light can help leaders navigate challenges and inspire teams to thrive.</p><p><br /></p><p>Drawing on her extensive experience working with global organizations including IBM, Dr. Kleestorfer explains how spirituality in leadership is not just a concept, but a practice that enhances business success, team cohesion, and individual fulfillment. From creating a safe space for emotional growth to utilizing frameworks like the PERMA model, this episode provides both spiritual wisdom and practical tools for leaders at all levels.</p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Key Takeaways</strong></p><ul><li><br /></li><li>How understanding your true essence as a leader can transform your team and organization</li><li><br /></li><li>The importance of asking deep, reflective questions to uncover core values and beliefs</li><li><br /></li><li>How to cultivate trust and emotional safety within teams to foster open and honest conversations</li><li><br /></li><li>The connection between root cause analysis and spiritual leadership in navigating complex challenges</li><li><br /></li><li>Why the PERMA model is essential in fostering positive workplace climates and employee well-being</li><li><br /></li><li>The impact of generational shifts on leadership and how younger employees are changing the workplace dynamics</li><li>Practical tools for integrating spirituality and leadership to achieve both personal and organizational growth<br /></li><p><br /></p></ul><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:00] Introduction to Dr. Erika Kleestorfer and her background</p></li><li><p>[03:07] The essence of spirituality in leadership</p></li><li><p>[05:23] Key questions for leaders to ask themselves and their teams</p></li><li><p>[07:46] The connection between emotional intelligence and effective leadership</p></li><li><p>[10:25] How leaders can foster a culture of openness and trust</p></li><li><p>[14:17] The PERMA model and its application in leadership</p></li><li><p>[18:45] Adapting to the changing workforce and generational shifts in leadership</p></li><li><p>[23:10] Practical steps for integrating spirituality into corporate leadership</p></li><li><p>[28:05] Closing thoughts on leadership and spiritual growth</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Dr. Erika Kleestorfer</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="http://www.kleestorfer.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">www.kleestorfer.com</a></p></li><li><p>Podcast: Alles Liebe, Erika – <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/xyz" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Podcast on Spotify</a></p></li><li><p>Workshop: <a href="https://myablefy.com/s/kleestorfer/transformational-leadership-journey" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Transformational Leadership Journey</a></p></li><li><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/erikamariakleestorfer/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/erikamariakleestorfer/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p></li></ul> no00:33:06Cultivating Growth and Trust: A Holistic Approach to Leadership, with Dr. Erika Kleestorferfull    <![CDATA[A Minute to Arrive: Presence, Listening, and Conscious Leadership, with Craig Souza]]>Most meetings begin with urgency. People arrive distracted, carrying the residue of the last conversation and already thinking about the next one. But what if leadership started with something different, a moment to arrive, breathe, and truly listen?

    In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Craig Souza to explore how mindfulness, presence, and deep listening can transform the way leaders show up at work. Craig is the president of the Conscious Leadership Guild, a former enterprise sales leader at HP, and a mindfulness teacher who has spent years helping leaders integrate awareness and emotional intelligence into everyday leadership.

    Craig shares how his journey into spirituality began unexpectedly through recovery and later evolved into bringing mindfulness practices into corporate environments. What began as a side interest eventually became a powerful way to help teams connect more deeply, communicate more effectively, and create healthier workplace cultures.

    Throughout the conversation, Craig introduces simple practices leaders can use immediately, from beginning meetings with a minute of presence to practicing mindful listening. These small shifts create space for deeper understanding, stronger relationships, and more thoughtful decision-making.

    The discussion also explores Craig’s work with the Conscious Leadership Guild, a community of leaders committed to personal growth and responsible leadership. At its heart, conscious leadership begins with inner work. It involves recognizing how we show up in the world and taking responsibility for our impact.

    This episode offers practical ways leaders can bring mindfulness and humanity into everyday interactions and discover how powerful true listening can be.


    Key Takeaways

    • Start With Presence: Beginning meetings with a brief pause or breath helps people transition from busyness into focused attention.

    • Mindful Listening Builds Trust: When leaders truly listen without interrupting or solving, people feel seen and heard.

    • Small Practices Create Big Change: Simple habits like three mindful breaths can shift the tone of conversations and decisions.

    • Bring Your Whole Self to Work: Leadership becomes more authentic when we stop separating who we are at work from who we are in life.

    • Leadership Begins With Inner Work: Conscious leadership starts by taking responsibility for how we show up and how our presence affects others.

    • Listening Is a Leadership Skill: Structured listening practices reveal insights and emotions that often remain hidden in normal conversations.


    Resources and Links

    Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

    Craig Souza

    Andrew Cohn

    Music: 
    Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/A-Minute-to-Arrive-Presence--Listening--and-Conscious-Leadership--with-Craig-Souza-e3hc514f19c7e45-e8a7-4044-bc41-40e7f038b17dWed, 08 Apr 2026 04:23:00 GMT<p>Most meetings begin with urgency. People arrive distracted, carrying the residue of the last conversation and already thinking about the next one. But what if leadership started with something different, a moment to arrive, breathe, and truly listen?</p><p>In this episode of the<em> Spirituality in Leadership</em> podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Craig Souza to explore how mindfulness, presence, and deep listening can transform the way leaders show up at work. Craig is the president of the Conscious Leadership Guild, a former enterprise sales leader at HP, and a mindfulness teacher who has spent years helping leaders integrate awareness and emotional intelligence into everyday leadership.</p><p>Craig shares how his journey into spirituality began unexpectedly through recovery and later evolved into bringing mindfulness practices into corporate environments. What began as a side interest eventually became a powerful way to help teams connect more deeply, communicate more effectively, and create healthier workplace cultures.</p><p>Throughout the conversation, Craig introduces simple practices leaders can use immediately, from beginning meetings with a minute of presence to practicing mindful listening. These small shifts create space for deeper understanding, stronger relationships, and more thoughtful decision-making.</p><p>The discussion also explores Craig’s work with the Conscious Leadership Guild, a community of leaders committed to personal growth and responsible leadership. At its heart, conscious leadership begins with inner work. It involves recognizing how we show up in the world and taking responsibility for our impact.</p><p>This episode offers practical ways leaders can bring mindfulness and humanity into everyday interactions and discover how powerful true listening can be.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Start With Presence: Beginning meetings with a brief pause or breath helps people transition from busyness into focused attention.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Mindful Listening Builds Trust: When leaders truly listen without interrupting or solving, people feel seen and heard.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Small Practices Create Big Change: Simple habits like three mindful breaths can shift the tone of conversations and decisions.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Bring Your Whole Self to Work: Leadership becomes more authentic when we stop separating who we are at work from who we are in life.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Leadership Begins With Inner Work: Conscious leadership starts by taking responsibility for how we show up and how our presence affects others.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Listening Is a Leadership Skill: Structured listening practices reveal insights and emotions that often remain hidden in normal conversations.</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Resources and Links</strong><br /></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Craig Souza</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://businessawakens.com" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://businessawakens.com</a></p></li><li><p>Medium: <a href="https://medium.com/@craigsouza" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://medium.com/@craigsouza</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/souzacraig/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/souzacraig/</a></p></li><li><p>Conscious Leadership Guild: <a href="http://consciousleadershipguild.org" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">consciousleadershipguild.org</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Music: </strong><br />Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a><br /></p> no00:46:55A Minute to Arrive: Presence, Listening, and Conscious Leadership, with Craig Souzafull    <![CDATA[Jump Every Day: Courage, Curiosity, and Connection, with Dr. James Smith Jr.]]>In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn welcomes his longtime friend and colleague Dr. James Smith Jr., an award-winning speaker, presentation coach, and expert in authenticity and leadership. Known for his electrifying presence and motivational wisdom, Dr. Smith shares deeply personal stories from raising his son to jumping out of a plane that illustrate what it means to live authentically and lead with vulnerability.

    Together, Andrew and James explore how spirituality, listening, and curiosity open doors to connection across cultures, generations, and organizations. They discuss the metaphor of “front seat, back seat, and trunk” as a lens for understanding what truly matters to people, why possibility thinking is a spiritual practice, and how leaders can invite trust by sharing their own stories first.

    Whether you’re a seasoned executive, a new manager, or simply someone who wants to live more courageously, this conversation will inspire you to “jump every day” into the opportunities life presents.


    Key Takeaways

    • Leadership Is Not a Beauty Contest: True leadership requires vulnerability, listening, and the willingness to get messy.

    • Possibility Thinking as a Spiritual Practice: Where others see problems, great leaders see possibilities.

    • The Front Seat Metaphor: Trust grows when leaders understand what matters most to people their “front seat” priorities.

    • Fear and Authenticity: Many leaders hold back out of fear, but authenticity builds stronger teams and relationships.

    • Jump Every Day: Whether skydiving or starting a tough conversation, growth comes from taking leaps that scare us.


    In This Episode:


    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Jump-Every-Day-Courage--Curiosity--and-Connection--with-Dr--James-Smith-Jr-e2svkpct31fwK21oThu, 09 May 2024 10:00:00 GMT<p>In this episode of the <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em> podcast, host Andrew Cohn welcomes his longtime friend and colleague Dr. James Smith Jr., an award-winning speaker, presentation coach, and expert in authenticity and leadership. Known for his electrifying presence and motivational wisdom, Dr. Smith shares deeply personal stories from raising his son to jumping out of a plane that illustrate what it means to live authentically and lead with vulnerability.</p><p>Together, Andrew and James explore how spirituality, listening, and curiosity open doors to connection across cultures, generations, and organizations. They discuss the metaphor of “front seat, back seat, and trunk” as a lens for understanding what truly matters to people, why possibility thinking is a spiritual practice, and how leaders can invite trust by sharing their own stories first.</p><p>Whether you’re a seasoned executive, a new manager, or simply someone who wants to live more courageously, this conversation will inspire you to “jump every day” into the opportunities life presents.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Leadership Is Not a Beauty Contest: True leadership requires vulnerability, listening, and the willingness to get messy.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Possibility Thinking as a Spiritual Practice: Where others see problems, great leaders see possibilities.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>The Front Seat Metaphor: Trust grows when leaders understand what matters most to people their “front seat” priorities.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Fear and Authenticity: Many leaders hold back out of fear, but authenticity builds stronger teams and relationships.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Jump Every Day: Whether skydiving or starting a tough conversation, growth comes from taking leaps that scare us.</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>In This Episode:</strong><br /></p><ul><li></li><li>[00:00] Introduction and possibility thinking</li><li></li><li>[05:06] Personal journey and spiritual foundation</li><li></li><li>[07:09] Parenting and spiritual shifts</li><li></li><li>[08:55] Navigating spirituality across cultures</li><li></li><li>[10:31] Curiosity and cross-cultural connection</li><li></li><li>[13:06] Childlike curiosity vs. adult inhibition</li><li></li><li>[16:29] Authenticity, fear, and imposter syndrome</li><li></li><li>[17:02] Goal-oriented vs. personality-driven leadership</li><li></li><li>[19:25] People-pleasing and generational shifts</li><li></li><li>[21:24] Meaning, advocacy, and shared goals</li><li></li><li>[22:13] Openness to conversations on meaning</li><li></li><li>[24:24] Leadership as inviting conversation</li><li></li><li>[28:01] Spirituality’s place in the workplace</li><li></li><li>[29:14] Choice, accountability, and personal maps</li><li></li><li>[30:32] Access, connection, and remote work</li><li></li><li>[32:10] Non-technological ways to connect</li><li></li><li>[38:15] Conversations as relationship-building</li><li></li><li>[41:51] Skydiving as a metaphor for growth</li><li>[43:59] Closing and contact information<br /><strong>Resources and Links</strong></li><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Dr. James Smith, Jr.</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website:<em> </em><a href="https://www.drjamessmithjr.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.drjamessmithjr.com/</u></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/drjamessmithjr/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/drjamessmithjr/</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</u></a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</u></a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow"><u>https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</u></a></p></li></ul></ul><p><br /></p> no00:45:25Jump Every Day: Courage, Curiosity, and Connection, with Dr. James Smith Jr.full    <![CDATA[Personal Growth and Conscious Leadership: Moving from Limited to Liberated to Limitless, with Carolyn Taylor]]>How do leaders actually grow, not just in what they do, but in how they respond to life? And where do they learn that they have a choice in those responses in the first place?

    In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Carolyn Taylor, a globally recognized authority on organizational culture and leadership transformation. As the author of Walking the Talk: Building a Culture for Success and Accountability at Work and founder of Walking the Talk, Carolyn brings over four decades of experience helping leaders and organizations create meaningful, lasting change.

    Together, they explore the profound intersection of spirituality and leadership, uncovering what it truly means to grow from the inside out. Carolyn challenges the traditional view of leadership as purely results-driven, emphasizing instead the importance of self-awareness, emotional intelligence, and authenticity in how leaders show up and respond to life.

    Drawing from her own journey, she traces the evolution of leadership from external performance to internal alignment. At the core of the conversation is a powerful mindset shift, from feeling like life is happening to you, to recognizing your ability to consciously choose your response.

    Carolyn also introduces a simple yet transformative model of growth, moving from a limited mindset rooted in scarcity and reactivity to a liberated state of ownership and confidence, and ultimately to a limitless way of being grounded in trust, flow, and humility.

    This episode offers a thoughtful and practical exploration of conscious leadership, reminding us that the most impactful leadership begins within and expands outward into how we lead, live, and connect with others.

    Tune in to discover how shifting your inner world can transform the way you lead, live, and connect.


    Key Takeaways

    • Growth Is About How You Respond: Leadership maturity comes from choosing more effective responses, not just reacting to circumstances.

    • Move from Victim to Ownership: Shifting from “life happens to me” to “I can influence outcomes” changes everything.

    • Language Shapes Mindset: Small changes in how we explain situations reveal whether we take responsibility or avoid it.

    • From Limited to Limitless: True growth involves letting go of limiting beliefs and stepping into a more expansive way of thinking and leading.

    • Self-Awareness Drives Leadership: The willingness to reflect, seek feedback, and challenge your own patterns is essential for growth.

    • Authenticity Is the Foundation: Leadership becomes more powerful when it comes from a place of honesty, values, and inner alignment.


    In This Episode:

    • [00:01] How leaders grow through their responses to life

    • [01:51] Introduction to Carolyn Taylor

    • [03:47] The link between spirituality and authentic leadership

    • [05:23] How leadership expectations have evolved over time

    • [06:35] From individual growth to culture change at scale

    • [11:07] Why workplaces teach what life often doesn’t

    • [19:39] The power of ownership and accountability

    • [23:17] Defining spirituality through authenticity and values

    • [27:17] Listening, ego, and respect in leadership

    • [31:55] Behaviors that reflect true self-confidence

    • [34:48] Moving from stress to optimism

    • [37:00] Expanding perspective and long-term thinking

    • [42:11] The role of reflection and meditation

    • [42:44] Carolyn’s books and resources


    Resources and Links

    Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

    Carolyn Taylor

    Andrew Cohn

    Music: 


    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Personal-Growth-and-Conscious-Leadership-Moving-from-Limited-to-Liberated-to-Limitless--with-Carolyn-Taylor-e3ij03jd55879c1-af13-41d0-b7e8-08f5faeea026Wed, 29 Apr 2026 07:00:00 GMT<p>How do leaders actually grow, not just in what they do, but in how they respond to life? And where do they learn that they have a choice in those responses in the first place?</p><p>In this episode of the <em>Spirituality in Leadership</em> podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Carolyn Taylor, a globally recognized authority on organizational culture and leadership transformation. As the author of <em>Walking the Talk: Building a Culture for Success</em> and <em>Accountability at Work</em> and founder of Walking the Talk, Carolyn brings over four decades of experience helping leaders and organizations create meaningful, lasting change.</p><p>Together, they explore the profound intersection of spirituality and leadership, uncovering what it truly means to grow from the inside out. Carolyn challenges the traditional view of leadership as purely results-driven, emphasizing instead the importance of self-awareness, emotional intelligence, and authenticity in how leaders show up and respond to life.</p><p>Drawing from her own journey, she traces the evolution of leadership from external performance to internal alignment. At the core of the conversation is a powerful mindset shift, from feeling like life is happening to you, to recognizing your ability to consciously choose your response.</p><p>Carolyn also introduces a simple yet transformative model of growth, moving from a limited mindset rooted in scarcity and reactivity to a liberated state of ownership and confidence, and ultimately to a limitless way of being grounded in trust, flow, and humility.</p><p>This episode offers a thoughtful and practical exploration of conscious leadership, reminding us that the most impactful leadership begins within and expands outward into how we lead, live, and connect with others.</p><p>Tune in to discover how shifting your inner world can transform the way you lead, live, and connect.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Growth Is About How You Respond: Leadership maturity comes from choosing more effective responses, not just reacting to circumstances.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Move from Victim to Ownership: Shifting from “life happens to me” to “I can influence outcomes” changes everything.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Language Shapes Mindset: Small changes in how we explain situations reveal whether we take responsibility or avoid it.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>From Limited to Limitless: True growth involves letting go of limiting beliefs and stepping into a more expansive way of thinking and leading.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Self-Awareness Drives Leadership: The willingness to reflect, seek feedback, and challenge your own patterns is essential for growth.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Authenticity Is the Foundation: Leadership becomes more powerful when it comes from a place of honesty, values, and inner alignment.</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>In This Episode:</strong></p><ul><li><p>[00:01] How leaders grow through their responses to life</p></li><li><p>[01:51] Introduction to Carolyn Taylor</p></li><li><p>[03:47] The link between spirituality and authentic leadership</p></li><li><p>[05:23] How leadership expectations have evolved over time</p></li><li><p>[06:35] From individual growth to culture change at scale</p></li><li><p>[11:07] Why workplaces teach what life often doesn’t</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>[19:39] The power of ownership and accountability</p></li><li><p>[23:17] Defining spirituality through authenticity and values</p></li><li><p>[27:17] Listening, ego, and respect in leadership</p></li><li><p>[31:55] Behaviors that reflect true self-confidence</p></li><li><p>[34:48] Moving from stress to optimism</p></li><li><p>[37:00] Expanding perspective and long-term thinking</p></li><li><p>[42:11] The role of reflection and meditation</p></li><li><p>[42:44] Carolyn’s books and resources</p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Resources and Links</strong></p><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Carolyn Taylor</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://carolyntaylorculture.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://carolyntaylorculture.com/</a></p></li><li><p>The Growth Option: <a href="https://thegrowthoption.com" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://thegrowthoption.com</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/carolyntaylorculture/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/carolyntaylorculture/</a></p></li><li><p>YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@carolyntaylor-culture8733" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@carolyntaylor-culture8733</a></p></li><li><p>Books: <a href="https://carolyntaylorculture.com/carolyn-taylor-books/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://carolyntaylorculture.com/carolyn-taylor-books/</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p> no00:45:31Personal Growth and Conscious Leadership: Moving from Limited to Liberated to Limitless, with Carolyn Taylorfull    <![CDATA[The Blank Space of Leadership: Alignment, Legacy, and Living Your Why, with Natalie Byrne]]>In this episode of the Spirituality and Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Natalie Byrne, founder of the impact and communications firm, Blank Space. Natalie shares her unique approach to helping brands, philanthropists, and leaders align their values with their work, whether it's launching a foundation, shaping a brand's legacy, or navigating a company through big transitions. Her methodology, “Blank Space,” is all about clearing the noise, getting centered, and building from a place of deep intention and purpose.


    Natalie and Andrew explore how spirituality, personal alignment, and humanness play a powerful role in leadership today. From her work with global companies to advising families on their philanthropic efforts, Natalie emphasizes the importance of living your legacy every day, not just leaving one behind. The conversation flows with warmth, humor, and authenticity, touching on everything from meditation and embodiment to corporate strategy and systems change. If you’ve ever wondered how your values can fuel your work in meaningful ways, this episode is full of insight.


    Key Takeaways

    • Blank Space Is a Leadership Practice: Creating “blank space” means removing the noise, making room for clarity, and allowing alignment and intuition to guide action.

    • Legacy Starts Now: Legacy is not what you leave behind. It’s how you live every day. Whether you’re a parent, philanthropist, or executive, you’re always building it.

    • Alignment Beats Overwhelm: Saying no to what doesn’t align with your values opens up the space to do what matters most with impact and ease.

    • Language Shapes Leadership: Words like “climate change” or “diversity” carry weight. Reframing with inclusivity can unite rather than divide.

    • Leadership Is Human: Congruence across our spiritual practices, business lives, and everyday actions is the future of meaningful leadership.


    In This Episode:

    • [00:02] Introduction and setting the stage

    • [03:16] Natalie’s path and Blank Space origins

    • [06:39] Leadership and societal impact

    • [08:32] Spirituality, alignment, and everyday practice

    • [11:09] Defining Blank Space

    • [14:23] Blank Space in action and methodology

    • [16:28] Blank Space method: process and application

    • [19:45] Legacy, storytelling, and brand language

    • [21:34] Overcoming resistance and creating alignment

    • [23:26] The power of language and framing

    • [25:12] The role of saying no and strategic focus

    • [28:29] Client examples and impact stories

    • [33:18] Spirituality, values, and inclusive language

    • [36:13] Humanness, nature, and reducing categories

    • [38:02] Opportunity for reflection and kindness

    • [40:25] Alignment, embodiment, and leading with heart

    • [41:21] Closing and where to learn more


  • Resources and Links

    • Spirituality in Leadership Podcast


    Natalie Byrne


    Andrew Cohn


    Music: 


    • ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/The-Blank-Space-of-Leadership-Alignment--Legacy--and-Living-Your-Why--with-Natalie-Byrne-e37tvg0a3d1eaaf-f3c6-4469-afb9-a13a5ea1b03aWed, 23 Jul 2025 12:51:00 GMT<p>In this episode of the <em>Spirituality and Leadership </em>podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Natalie Byrne, founder of the impact and communications firm, Blank Space. Natalie shares her unique approach to helping brands, philanthropists, and leaders align their values with their work, whether it's launching a foundation, shaping a brand's legacy, or navigating a company through big transitions. Her methodology, “Blank Space,” is all about clearing the noise, getting centered, and building from a place of deep intention and purpose.</p><p><br /></p><p>Natalie and Andrew explore how spirituality, personal alignment, and humanness play a powerful role in leadership today. From her work with global companies to advising families on their philanthropic efforts, Natalie emphasizes the importance of living your legacy every day, not just leaving one behind. The conversation flows with warmth, humor, and authenticity, touching on everything from meditation and embodiment to corporate strategy and systems change. If you’ve ever wondered how your values can fuel your work in meaningful ways, this episode is full of insight.</p><p><br /><strong>Key Takeaways</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>Blank Space Is a Leadership Practice: Creating “blank space” means removing the noise, making room for clarity, and allowing alignment and intuition to guide action.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Legacy Starts Now: Legacy is not what you leave behind. It’s how you live every day. Whether you’re a parent, philanthropist, or executive, you’re always building it.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Alignment Beats Overwhelm: Saying no to what doesn’t align with your values opens up the space to do what matters most with impact and ease.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Language Shapes Leadership: Words like “climate change” or “diversity” carry weight. Reframing with inclusivity can unite rather than divide.</p></li></ul><ul><li><p>Leadership Is Human: Congruence across our spiritual practices, business lives, and everyday actions is the future of meaningful leadership.</p></li></ul><p><br /><strong>In This Episode:</strong><br /></p><ul><li><p>[00:02] Introduction and setting the stage</p></li><li><p>[03:16] Natalie’s path and Blank Space origins</p></li><li><p>[06:39] Leadership and societal impact</p></li><li><p>[08:32] Spirituality, alignment, and everyday practice</p></li><li><p>[11:09] Defining Blank Space</p></li><li><p>[14:23] Blank Space in action and methodology</p></li><li><p>[16:28] Blank Space method: process and application</p></li><li><p>[19:45] Legacy, storytelling, and brand language</p></li><li><p>[21:34] Overcoming resistance and creating alignment</p></li><li><p>[23:26] The power of language and framing</p></li><li><p>[25:12] The role of saying no and strategic focus</p></li><li><p>[28:29] Client examples and impact stories</p></li><li><p>[33:18] Spirituality, values, and inclusive language</p></li><li><p>[36:13] Humanness, nature, and reducing categories</p></li><li><p>[38:02] Opportunity for reflection and kindness</p></li><li><p>[40:25] Alignment, embodiment, and leading with heart</p></li><li><p>[41:21] Closing and where to learn more</p></li></ul><li><br /><strong>Resources and Links</strong></li><li><br /></li><p><strong>Spirituality in Leadership Podcast</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Natalie Byrne</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website:<em> </em><a href="https://www.blankspaceworks.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.blankspaceworks.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nataliebyrne" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank"> https://www.linkedin.com/in/nataliebyrne</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Andrew Cohn</strong></p><ul><li><p>Website: <a href="https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/</a></p></li><li><p>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/</a></p></li></ul><p><br /></p><p><strong>Music: </strong></p><ul><li><p>Kodiak: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe</a></p></li></ul><li><br /></li> no00:43:29The Blank Space of Leadership: Alignment, Legacy, and Living Your Why, with Natalie Byrnefull    <![CDATA[Aikido, Embodiment, and Deep Dialogue: Tools for Effective Leadership, with Chris Thorsen]]>Aikido is more than a martial art—it’s a way of navigating life’s challenges with grace and resilience. In this episode, Andrew Cohn speaks with his friend, colleague, and mentor, Chris Thorsen, a longtime practitioner of Aikido and its “off the mat” applications. Chris shares his powerful story, starting with his use of haiku as a tool for recovery after serving in the Vietnam War. This practice connected him with a Zen master who guided him for 30 years. Aikido, Chris explains, provided him the strength to thrive as a crisis counselor, even during years consulting with guards at San Quentin prison. Later, he introduced Aikido as a healing tool to a business leader and combat helicopter pilot processing trauma, sparking a transformative professional connection. Chris reflects on his journey as a “medic in the corporate world,” integrating Aikido and deep dialogue into leadership development and culture building. This conversation offers profound insights into the intersection of personal growth, leadership, and operational effectiveness.



    ]]>    https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abcmusique5/episodes/Aikido--Embodiment--and-Deep-Dialogue-Tools-for-Effective-Leadership--with-Chris-Thorsen-e2svkpmdyFlxv0BAWed, 18 Dec 2024 11:00:00 GMT<p><span>Aikido is more than a martial art—it’s a way of navigating life’s challenges with grace and resilience. In this episode, Andrew Cohn speaks with his friend, colleague, and mentor, </span><a href="https://inquiryintoconsciousness.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">Chris Thorsen</a><span>, a longtime practitioner of Aikido and its “off the mat” applications. Chris shares his powerful story, starting with his use of haiku as a tool for recovery after serving in the Vietnam War. This practice connected him with a Zen master who guided him for 30 years. Aikido, Chris explains, provided him the strength to thrive as a crisis counselor, even during years consulting with guards at San Quentin prison. Later, he introduced Aikido as a healing tool to a business leader and combat helicopter pilot processing trauma, sparking a transformative professional connection. Chris reflects on his journey as a “medic in the corporate world,” integrating Aikido and deep dialogue into leadership development and culture building. This conversation offers profound insights into the intersection of personal growth, leadership, and operational effectiveness.</span></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p> no01:24:12Aikido, Embodiment, and Deep Dialogue: Tools for Effective Leadership, with Chris Thorsenfull