<![CDATA[One of These Things First]]>One of These Things First is a podcast about music discovery: how it works, how it’s changed, and where it’s going next.

Hosted by Clayton Warwick, co-founder of The Music Ninja and MusicAtlas, the show features candid conversations with artists, curators, and other people who have shaped how music finds an audience.

From independent blogs and Hype Machine to playlists, TikTok, and whatever comes next, guests revisit the moments that changed their careers, share what they’re creating today, and explore the future of discovery.

No overly polished industry talking points. Just honest conversations with people who care deeply about music.

]]>https://oneofthesethingsfirst.com/Riverside.fm (https://riverside.com)Sun, 18 Oct 2026 06:47:15 GMTFri, 24 Jul 2026 20:04:50 GMT60Clayton Warwick<p>One of These Things First is a podcast about music discovery: how it works, how it’s changed, and where it’s going next.</p><p>Hosted by Clayton Warwick, co-founder of The Music Ninja and MusicAtlas, the show features candid conversations with artists, curators, and other people who have shaped how music finds an audience.</p><p>From independent blogs and Hype Machine to playlists, TikTok, and whatever comes next, guests revisit the moments that changed their careers, share what they’re creating today, and explore the future of discovery.</p><p>No overly polished industry talking points. Just honest conversations with people who care deeply about music.</p>episodicClayton Warwickoottfpod@gmail.comno<![CDATA[Raul Rosco Guerrero on Filmmaking, Music Discovery, and the Power of a Soundtrack]]>Clayton Warwick sits down with longtime friend Raul “Rosco” Guerrero, a Los Angeles-based writer, director, producer, and founder of People Pictures, for a wide-ranging conversation about filmmaking, music discovery, and the relationship between music and what we see on screen.

Rosco shares how shooting photo and video at Denver’s legendary Beta Nightclub opened a path into directing music videos, and eventually writing, directing, and producing in the film and television world. Clayton and Rosco look back at Denver’s 2010s electronic music scene, the strange ways we discover music today, and the challenges filmmakers face when trying to find and license the right song. They also dig into soundtracks that shaped them, the dreaded phenomenon of “temp love,” Warped Tour memories, and why the right piece of music can completely change whether a scene, or even an entire film, works.

Rosco also shares what’s next, including Paradise, Mine, and Follow the Money, with some seriously exciting names already attached.

Follow Rosco:
@roscorg

People Pictures:
@peoplepicturesco
peoplepictures.co

]]>f5b3ada3-4b26-4cc4-9825-4045ad057b0bThu, 03 Sep 2026 22:34:50 GMT<p>Clayton Warwick sits down with longtime friend Raul “Rosco” Guerrero, a Los Angeles-based writer, director, producer, and founder of People Pictures, for a wide-ranging conversation about filmmaking, music discovery, and the relationship between music and what we see on screen.</p><p></p><p>Rosco shares how shooting photo and video at Denver’s legendary Beta Nightclub opened a path into directing music videos, and eventually writing, directing, and producing in the film and television world. Clayton and Rosco look back at Denver’s 2010s electronic music scene, the strange ways we discover music today, and the challenges filmmakers face when trying to find and license the right song. They also dig into soundtracks that shaped them, the dreaded phenomenon of “temp love,” Warped Tour memories, and why the right piece of music can completely change whether a scene, or even an entire film, works.</p><p></p><p>Rosco also shares what’s next, including <i>Paradise</i>, <i>Mine</i>, and <i>Follow the Money</i>, with some seriously exciting names already attached.<br /><br />Follow Rosco:<br />@roscorg</p><p>People Pictures:<br />@peoplepicturesco<br /><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="http://peoplepictures.co" target="_blank">peoplepictures.co</a></p>no00:56:3014Raul Rosco Guerrero on Filmmaking, Music Discovery, and the Power of a Soundtrackfull<![CDATA[Justin Hackl on Arson Charge, Building Guitars, and Keeping Music Human]]>Clayton Warwick sits down with Justin Hackl, Denver musician, guitar builder, and owner of Hackl Guitars, for a wide-ranging conversation about making music, discovering new artists, and building a life around the thing you love.

Justin shares the unlikely story behind Arson Charge, a band that came together after he thought he might be done playing music altogether, and reflects on three decades in the Denver music scene, from touring with The Blackout Pact to his time in Native Daughters and finding a renewed love for the creative process. They also dig into the realities of touring, Justin’s path to becoming a luthier, memorable experiences working on guitars for touring musicians, the good and bad of streaming-era music discovery, and the growing presence of AI in music. Along the way, Clayton and Justin trade stories about Warped Tour, Red Rocks, vinyl, Carpenter Brut, The Wipers, and why the human connection behind music still matters.

https://www.instagram.com/arsoncharge/

https://www.instagram.com/hacklguitars/

https://hacklguitars.com/

]]>fb9fce8a-275f-43b6-ba56-75bdc0322a3aFri, 14 Aug 2026 18:28:40 GMT<p>Clayton Warwick sits down with Justin Hackl, Denver musician, guitar builder, and owner of Hackl Guitars, for a wide-ranging conversation about making music, discovering new artists, and building a life around the thing you love.</p><p></p><p>Justin shares the unlikely story behind Arson Charge, a band that came together after he thought he might be done playing music altogether, and reflects on three decades in the Denver music scene, from touring with The Blackout Pact to his time in Native Daughters and finding a renewed love for the creative process. They also dig into the realities of touring, Justin’s path to becoming a luthier, memorable experiences working on guitars for touring musicians, the good and bad of streaming-era music discovery, and the growing presence of AI in music. Along the way, Clayton and Justin trade stories about Warped Tour, Red Rocks, vinyl, Carpenter Brut, The Wipers, and why the human connection behind music still matters.</p><p></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.instagram.com/arsoncharge/" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/arsoncharge/</a></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.instagram.com/hacklguitars/" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/hacklguitars/</a></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://hacklguitars.com/" target="_blank">https://hacklguitars.com/</a></p>no00:57:23Justin Hackl on Arson Charge, Building Guitars, and Keeping Music Humanfull<![CDATA[Bryan Ray Discusses John Page Guitars, the Realities of Working in Music, and Human Curation]]>Clayton Warwick sits down with Bryan Ray, an Austin-based artist, producer, and the Director of Marketing and Artist Relations for John Page Guitars, for a wide-ranging conversation about music discovery, creative careers, and keeping the joy of music alive.

Bryan shares the remarkable history behind John Page Guitars, from John Page’s role in founding the Fender Custom Shop to the mission of making extraordinary, player-focused instruments more accessible. They also reflect on the blog era, the changing economics of the music business, the limits of algorithmic discovery, and why real community and human taste still matter. Along the way, Clayton and Bryan trade stories about South by Southwest, Red Rocks, vinyl, Mars Volta, jazz on YouTube, and the long, unpredictable path of building a life around music.

https://www.instagram.com/bryan_b_ray/

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4qdwXUwNF8gr1FODwl6LWx

https://www.johnpageguitars.com/

]]>13efded0-4174-4584-8724-a2de1ce38c41Sat, 01 Aug 2026 06:14:14 GMT<p>Clayton Warwick sits down with Bryan Ray, an Austin-based artist, producer, and the Director of Marketing and Artist Relations for John Page Guitars, for a wide-ranging conversation about music discovery, creative careers, and keeping the joy of music alive.</p><p></p><p>Bryan shares the remarkable history behind John Page Guitars, from John Page’s role in founding the Fender Custom Shop to the mission of making extraordinary, player-focused instruments more accessible. They also reflect on the blog era, the changing economics of the music business, the limits of algorithmic discovery, and why real community and human taste still matter. Along the way, Clayton and Bryan trade stories about South by Southwest, Red Rocks, vinyl, Mars Volta, jazz on YouTube, and the long, unpredictable path of building a life around music.</p><p></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.instagram.com/bryan_b_ray/" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/bryan_b_ray/</a></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4qdwXUwNF8gr1FODwl6LWx" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4qdwXUwNF8gr1FODwl6LWx</a></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.johnpageguitars.com/" target="_blank">https://www.johnpageguitars.com/</a></p>no01:02:5312Bryan Ray Discusses John Page Guitars, the Realities of Working in Music, and Human Curationfull<![CDATA[Absofacto on the Blog Era, AI Music, and What Comes Next]]>For the first episode of One of These Things First, Clayton sits down with Absofacto. Their connection stretches back to 2011, when The Music Ninja first covered his work, years before “Dissolve” found an unexpected second life on TikTok.

They revisit the blog and Hype Machine era, the strange experience of watching an older song suddenly go viral, and how that moment arrived just as Jonathan was considering stepping away from the traditional artist grind. The conversation also explores his eight years with Atlantic Records, the growing presence of AI music, and why knowing there’s a real person behind a song still matters.

Jonathan also shares what he’s building next. It’s an honest conversation about discovery, persistence, artistic identity, and returning to music on your own terms.

]]>78105fc4-5215-4012-94ec-40f441bce457Fri, 24 Jul 2026 20:12:52 GMT<p>For the first episode of One of These Things First, Clayton sits down with Absofacto. Their connection stretches back to 2011, when The Music Ninja first covered his work, years before “Dissolve” found an unexpected second life on TikTok.</p><p></p><p>They revisit the blog and Hype Machine era, the strange experience of watching an older song suddenly go viral, and how that moment arrived just as Jonathan was considering stepping away from the traditional artist grind. The conversation also explores his eight years with Atlantic Records, the growing presence of AI music, and why knowing there’s a real person behind a song still matters.</p><p></p><p>Jonathan also shares what he’s building next. It’s an honest conversation about discovery, persistence, artistic identity, and returning to music on your own terms.</p>no01:01:1511Absofacto on the Blog Era, AI Music, and What Comes Nextfull