<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:psc="http://podlove.org/simple-chapters" xmlns:podcast="https://podcastindex.org/namespace/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Continuous Agitation]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Continuous Agitation<b> </b>is two working photographers with decades of experience still struggling to figure it out. <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://jayfram.com/" target="_blank">Jay Fram</a> and <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://sawalich.com/" target="_blank">Bill Sawalich</a> talk about what’s working, what isn’t, and what the hell is happening to the photo business. </p>]]></description><link>https://riverside.com</link><generator>Riverside.fm (https://riverside.com)</generator><lastBuildDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 06:11:25 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://api.riverside.com/hosting/Y3R6y9MJ.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><author><![CDATA[Jay Fram and Bill Sawalich]]></author><pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2026 05:42:51 GMT</pubDate><copyright><![CDATA[2026 Jay Fram and Bill Sawalich]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><ttl>60</ttl><category><![CDATA[Arts]]></category><category><![CDATA[Visual Arts]]></category><itunes:author>Jay Fram and Bill Sawalich</itunes:author><itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;Continuous Agitation&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;is two working photographers with decades of experience still struggling to figure it out. &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://jayfram.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Jay Fram&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://sawalich.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Bill Sawalich&lt;/a&gt; talk about what’s working, what isn’t, and what the hell is happening to the photo business. &lt;/p&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:type>episodic</itunes:type><itunes:owner><itunes:name>Jay Fram and Bill Sawalich</itunes:name><itunes:email>jay@jayfram.com</itunes:email></itunes:owner><itunes:explicit>yes</itunes:explicit><itunes:category text="Arts"><itunes:category text="Visual Arts"/></itunes:category><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.riverside.com/media/podcasts/89f8cf62-7aed-4422-ab61-a3fc6ce7878a/logos/d685b5f2-b05e-43cb-ba9e-bf6ca5c6a515.jpeg"/><item><title><![CDATA[AI Moonrise Hernandez]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>The Danziger Gallery is showing a large-format AI-generated color version of Ansel Adams' <i>Moonrise, Hernandez, New Mexico</i>. Prompt: <i>make a realistic color version of Ansel Adams' iconic Moonrise over Hernandez.</i></p><p> </p><p>Reaction: gross. But also, this is the AI version of Richard Prince shenanigans. Which pulls us into Prince's <i>Untitled Cowboys</i> — Marlboro ads torn from magazines, rephotographed, sold for millions — and one real cowboy photographer describing what it feels like to watch someone copy your life's work and sell it for $3 million.</p><p> </p><p>From there: do we use AI, and what for? Jay uses it as a marketing coach. Bill mostly avoids it for not exactly ethical reasons. Harder question: if a client can get a convincing image from a prompt in an hour, why should they call us? Bill says it’s a business case: if the people who need appealing to – the audience – are moved by interacting with real images and film, and are actively turned off by AI facsimile, then AI ain’t gonna cut it.</p><p> </p><p><i>"Knowing something real happened matters to me in the context of viewing photographs."</i></p><p> </p><hr /><p> </p><p><b>Links:</b></p><p></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.anseladams.com/products/explore-moonrise-hernandez-new-mexico" target="_blank"><b>Ansel Adams Moonrise, Hernandez, NM</b></a> – the real one</p><p></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.threads.com/@artnews/post/DYvMZtuFBSK" target="_blank">The AI version of Ansel’s Moonrise</a>, along with a new statement released by the Ansel Adams Trust</p><p></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.danzigergallery.com/artists/giuseppe-lo-schiavo" target="_blank">Giuseppe Lo Sciavo</a> at Danziger Gallery</p><p></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/283742" target="_blank">Richard Prince “Untitled Cowboy” </a></p><p></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://samabell.com/charlie-russell" target="_blank">Sam Abell’s</a> iconic cowboy photograph</p><p></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://apanational.org/inspiration/norm-clasen-reclaiming-the-untitled-cowboy" target="_blank">Bill’s Norm Clasen profile</a></p><p></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://artandmath.substack.com/p/copyright-and-context" target="_blank">Bill’s Lynn Goldsmith Copyright Story</a></p><p></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://calnewport.com/" target="_blank">Cal Newport</a></p><p>Author of <i>Deep Work</i>; Jay heard him on the <i>Offline</i> podcast talking about AI and the atrophy of difficulty</p><p></p><hr /><p><b> </b></p><p>Follow Jay on Instagram: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.instagram.com/jayfram" target="_blank">@jayfram</a></p><p>Follow Bill on Instagram and Threads: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.instagram.com/sawalich" target="_blank">@sawalich</a></p><p>Read Bill's newsletter, Art + Math: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="http://artandmath.substack.com" target="_blank">artandmath.substack.com</a></p><p>Jay's photography: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="http://jayfram.com" target="_blank">jayfram.com</a></p><p>Bill’s photography: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="http://sawalich.com" target="_blank">sawalich.com</a></p><p>Write to us: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="mailto:jay@jayfram.com" target="_blank">jay@jayfram.com</a> / <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="mailto:bill@sawalich.com" target="_blank">bill@sawalich.com</a></p><p> </p><p>Rate and review Continuous Agitation on <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/new" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> — it actually helps.</p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">7efe9f15-7a4e-4b99-b4f8-c33ece837851</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay Fram and Bill Sawalich]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 05:32:23 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.riverside.com/hosting-analytics/media/0823d23919befa07675c46c73f586e1aad3449d8429eb51841cda069fd0f4df1/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiI3ZWZlOWYxNS03YTRlLTRiOTktYjRmOC1jMzNlY2U4Mzc4NTEiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiI4OWY4Y2Y2Mi03YWVkLTQ0MjItYWI2MS1hM2ZjNmNlNzg3OGEiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OWQ5NGQ4NGNjNGQxMTczMjY1OTg1YjgiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNmExN2QzNjczNDVlMTA5OGY4N2Q2NzllL2pheS1mcmFtcy1zdHVkaW8tY29tcG9zZXItMjAyNi01LTI4X183LTMyLTIzLm1wMyJ9.mp3" length="19916191" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://hosting-media.riverside.com/media/podcasts/89f8cf62-7aed-4422-ab61-a3fc6ce7878a/episodes/7efe9f15-7a4e-4b99-b4f8-c33ece837851/transcripts.txt" type="text/plain"/><itunes:summary>&lt;p&gt;The Danziger Gallery is showing a large-format AI-generated color version of Ansel Adams&apos; &lt;i&gt;Moonrise, Hernandez, New Mexico&lt;/i&gt;. Prompt: &lt;i&gt;make a realistic color version of Ansel Adams&apos; iconic Moonrise over Hernandez.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Reaction: gross. But also, this is the AI version of Richard Prince shenanigans. Which pulls us into Prince&apos;s &lt;i&gt;Untitled Cowboys&lt;/i&gt; — Marlboro ads torn from magazines, rephotographed, sold for millions — and one real cowboy photographer describing what it feels like to watch someone copy your life&apos;s work and sell it for $3 million.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;From there: do we use AI, and what for? Jay uses it as a marketing coach. Bill mostly avoids it for not exactly ethical reasons. Harder question: if a client can get a convincing image from a prompt in an hour, why should they call us? Bill says it’s a business case: if the people who need appealing to – the audience – are moved by interacting with real images and film, and are actively turned off by AI facsimile, then AI ain’t gonna cut it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Knowing something real happened matters to me in the context of viewing photographs.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Links:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://www.anseladams.com/products/explore-moonrise-hernandez-new-mexico&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ansel Adams Moonrise, Hernandez, NM&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; – the real one&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://www.threads.com/@artnews/post/DYvMZtuFBSK&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;The AI version of Ansel’s Moonrise&lt;/a&gt;, along with a new statement released by the Ansel Adams Trust&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://www.danzigergallery.com/artists/giuseppe-lo-schiavo&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Giuseppe Lo Sciavo&lt;/a&gt; at Danziger Gallery&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/283742&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Richard Prince “Untitled Cowboy” &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://samabell.com/charlie-russell&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Sam Abell’s&lt;/a&gt; iconic cowboy photograph&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://apanational.org/inspiration/norm-clasen-reclaiming-the-untitled-cowboy&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Bill’s Norm Clasen profile&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://artandmath.substack.com/p/copyright-and-context&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Bill’s Lynn Goldsmith Copyright Story&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://calnewport.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Cal Newport&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Author of &lt;i&gt;Deep Work&lt;/i&gt;; Jay heard him on the &lt;i&gt;Offline&lt;/i&gt; podcast talking about AI and the atrophy of difficulty&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Follow Jay on Instagram: &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://www.instagram.com/jayfram&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;@jayfram&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Follow Bill on Instagram and Threads: &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://www.instagram.com/sawalich&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;@sawalich&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Read Bill&apos;s newsletter, Art + Math: &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://artandmath.substack.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;artandmath.substack.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jay&apos;s photography: &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://jayfram.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;jayfram.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bill’s photography: &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://sawalich.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;sawalich.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Write to us: &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;mailto:jay@jayfram.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;jay@jayfram.com&lt;/a&gt; / &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;mailto:bill@sawalich.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;bill@sawalich.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Rate and review Continuous Agitation on &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://podcasts.apple.com/us/new&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Apple Podcasts&lt;/a&gt; — it actually helps.&lt;/p&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:explicit>yes</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>00:41:29</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.riverside.com/media/podcasts/89f8cf62-7aed-4422-ab61-a3fc6ce7878a/logos/d685b5f2-b05e-43cb-ba9e-bf6ca5c6a515.jpeg"/><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>2</itunes:episode><itunes:title>AI Moonrise Hernandez</itunes:title><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title><![CDATA[Why are we doing this?]]></title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Continuous Agitation — Episode 1: Why Are We Doing This?</h1><p>This first episode is an origin story — why two working photographers decided to start recording their phone calls and sharing them with strangers. We’ve been having these conversations for years and figured other photographers might get something out of it. But also: Jay can't find much content that reflects the business reality he’s actually living in. Not tutorials. Not influencers teaching us how to establish a personal vision. Just plain talk about commercial photography from people who are in it, confounded by it, and not pretending otherwise.</p><p> </p><p>We touch on AI image generation — and the fact that it’s not photography. We were both relieved to hear Rob Haggart and Heather Morton say publicly that they wish it never happened. Not that that solves anything. We talk about what has actually changed in the business, and the disorienting experience of knowing what a job used to be worth, having no idea what it's worth now, and wondering if the confusion is a character flaw or just an accurate read of the situation.</p><p> </p><p><i>"What's the value of an image with a lifespan of literally hours?"</i> That's kind of the whole show. But, you know, like not that bad.</p><p></p><p><b>Links to stuff we mention:</b></p><p> </p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.chrisbuck.com" target="_blank">Chris Buck</a> — Photographer</p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.chrisbuck.com/blog/lena-3gha9" target="_blank">Chris Buck’s Lena Dunham Blog Post</a></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://aphotoeditor.com" target="_blank">A Photo Editor</a> — Rob Haggart's long-running blog about the photography business</p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.instagram.com/hmphotoprof/" target="_blank">Heather Morton (@hmphotoprof) </a>on Instagram</p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://thegrainai.substack.com/p/podcast-ai-vs-photographyheather" target="_blank">Rob and Heather on “The Grain” Podcast about “Photography vs. AI”</a></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://fraenkelgallery.com/artists/adam-fuss" target="_blank">Adam Fuss</a></p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.moma.org/artists/3716-man-ray-emmanuel-radnitzky" target="_blank">Man Ray</a> — Artist and photographer; inventor of the Rayograph, the original camera-free photographic image</p><p><a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.theowelling.com/" target="_blank">Theo Welling</a> — Photographer, mutual friend; "see if you can figure out what's going on."</p><p> </p><hr /><p> </p><p><b>Find us:</b></p><p> </p><p>Follow Jay on Instagram: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.instagram.com/jayfram" target="_blank">@jayfram</a></p><p>Follow Bill on Instagram and Threads: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.instagram.com/sawalich" target="_blank">@sawalich</a></p><p>Read Bill's newsletter, Art + Math: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="http://artandmath.substack.com" target="_blank">artandmath.substack.com</a></p><p>Jay's photography: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="http://jayfram.com" target="_blank">jayfram.com</a></p><p>Bill’s photography: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="http://sawalich.com" target="_blank">sawalich.com</a></p><p>Write to us: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="mailto:jay@jayfram.com" target="_blank">jay@jayfram.com</a> / <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="mailto:bill@sawalich.com" target="_blank">bill@sawalich.com</a></p><p> </p><p>Rate and review Continuous Agitation on <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/new" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> — it actually helps.</p>]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">2c69bccc-0ecf-49bb-ab27-0b308b1ce514</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay Fram and Bill Sawalich]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2026 06:05:19 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.riverside.com/hosting-analytics/media/1a03f815d64a9e3861429145e85fc3aa732c4ea76f93bd5c87d618917c26a275/eyJlcGlzb2RlSWQiOiIyYzY5YmNjYy0wZWNmLTQ5YmItYWIyNy0wYjMwOGIxY2U1MTQiLCJwb2RjYXN0SWQiOiI4OWY4Y2Y2Mi03YWVkLTQ0MjItYWI2MS1hM2ZjNmNlNzg3OGEiLCJhY2NvdW50SWQiOiI2OWQ5NGQ4NGNjNGQxMTczMjY1OTg1YjgiLCJwYXRoIjoibWVkaWEvY2xpcHMvNmEwZmYyOWI1M2NjOTFjYzlkYmZmNDQ0L2pheS1mcmFtcy1zdHVkaW8tY29tcG9zZXItMjAyNi01LTIyX184LTctMjMubXAzIn0=.mp3" length="19605856" type="audio/mpeg"/><podcast:transcript url="https://hosting-media.riverside.com/media/podcasts/89f8cf62-7aed-4422-ab61-a3fc6ce7878a/episodes/2c69bccc-0ecf-49bb-ab27-0b308b1ce514/transcripts.txt" type="text/plain"/><itunes:summary>&lt;h1&gt;Continuous Agitation — Episode 1: Why Are We Doing This?&lt;/h1&gt;&lt;p&gt;This first episode is an origin story — why two working photographers decided to start recording their phone calls and sharing them with strangers. We’ve been having these conversations for years and figured other photographers might get something out of it. But also: Jay can&apos;t find much content that reflects the business reality he’s actually living in. Not tutorials. Not influencers teaching us how to establish a personal vision. Just plain talk about commercial photography from people who are in it, confounded by it, and not pretending otherwise.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We touch on AI image generation — and the fact that it’s not photography. We were both relieved to hear Rob Haggart and Heather Morton say publicly that they wish it never happened. Not that that solves anything. We talk about what has actually changed in the business, and the disorienting experience of knowing what a job used to be worth, having no idea what it&apos;s worth now, and wondering if the confusion is a character flaw or just an accurate read of the situation.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;What&apos;s the value of an image with a lifespan of literally hours?&quot;&lt;/i&gt; That&apos;s kind of the whole show. But, you know, like not that bad.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Links to stuff we mention:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://www.chrisbuck.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Chris Buck&lt;/a&gt; — Photographer&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://www.chrisbuck.com/blog/lena-3gha9&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Chris Buck’s Lena Dunham Blog Post&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://aphotoeditor.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;A Photo Editor&lt;/a&gt; — Rob Haggart&apos;s long-running blog about the photography business&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://www.instagram.com/hmphotoprof/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Heather Morton (@hmphotoprof) &lt;/a&gt;on Instagram&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://thegrainai.substack.com/p/podcast-ai-vs-photographyheather&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Rob and Heather on “The Grain” Podcast about “Photography vs. AI”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://fraenkelgallery.com/artists/adam-fuss&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Adam Fuss&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://www.moma.org/artists/3716-man-ray-emmanuel-radnitzky&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Man Ray&lt;/a&gt; — Artist and photographer; inventor of the Rayograph, the original camera-free photographic image&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://www.theowelling.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Theo Welling&lt;/a&gt; — Photographer, mutual friend; &quot;see if you can figure out what&apos;s going on.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Find us:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Follow Jay on Instagram: &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://www.instagram.com/jayfram&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;@jayfram&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Follow Bill on Instagram and Threads: &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://www.instagram.com/sawalich&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;@sawalich&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Read Bill&apos;s newsletter, Art + Math: &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://artandmath.substack.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;artandmath.substack.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jay&apos;s photography: &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://jayfram.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;jayfram.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bill’s photography: &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://sawalich.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;sawalich.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Write to us: &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;mailto:jay@jayfram.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;jay@jayfram.com&lt;/a&gt; / &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;mailto:bill@sawalich.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;bill@sawalich.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Rate and review Continuous Agitation on &lt;a rel=&quot;noopener noreferrer nofollow&quot; href=&quot;https://podcasts.apple.com/us/new&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Apple Podcasts&lt;/a&gt; — it actually helps.&lt;/p&gt;</itunes:summary><itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>00:40:51</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://hosting-media.riverside.com/media/podcasts/89f8cf62-7aed-4422-ab61-a3fc6ce7878a/logos/d685b5f2-b05e-43cb-ba9e-bf6ca5c6a515.jpeg"/><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode><itunes:title>Why are we doing this?</itunes:title><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item></channel></rss>