In networking, the space between two firewalls is the DMZ: where the inside of a business meets the outside world. That's where this show lives, at the point where security meets business.

Most cybersecurity talk is either vendor noise or tick-box compliance. This show is neither. It's real conversations about cyber, business, leadership and the people behind the industry, told through the stories that usually don't get told. Not the CEO on the news after a breach, but the engineers who handled it. Not the certificate on the wall, but what it really cost, and whether it won the deal.

For business owners: security and certification in plain English. ISO 27001, Essential Eight, security questionnaires, the attacks small businesses actually face, and what to do about them on Monday morning. Effective security isn't only for big companies.

For cybersecurity professionals: how to talk to executives, lead with confidence, and make an impact without burning out.

For students and people starting out: honest career paths, the boring bits included, and what employers really want.

Two kinds of episodes: conversations with Australian founders, operators and practitioners about how security shaped their business, and unpacking episodes where one topic gets tested properly. Is it tick-box, or does it really reduce risk?

Your host, Ashley Knowles, has worked in IT and security since 2003, for Deloitte, Avanade and Leidos, and with clients including BHP, Rio Tinto and ANZ. Today he's a vCISO and the founder of Securitribe, bringing that experience to businesses that don't normally get access to it.

Security is like the gym. You don't get strong by buying the membership. You get strong by turning up, again and again.