<![CDATA[Between Here and Calling]]>Life is filled with in-between seasons—moments when the next step isn't yet clear, but the invitation to move forward remains. Between Here and Calling explores those spaces of discernment through conversations with people who are discovering purpose, embracing change, and following God's call with courage. Together, we'll explore what it means to listen well, trust deeply, and faithfully journey between here and calling.

]]>www.betweenhereandcalling.comRiverside.fm (https://riverside.com)Mon, 02 Nov 2026 15:13:38 GMTTue, 14 Jul 2026 20:54:12 GMT60Amie Stewart<p>Life is filled with in-between seasons—moments when the next step isn't yet clear, but the invitation to move forward remains. <b>Between Here and Calling</b> explores those spaces of discernment through conversations with people who are discovering purpose, embracing change, and following God's call with courage. Together, we'll explore what it means to listen well, trust deeply, and faithfully journey between here and calling.</p>episodicAmie Stewartamie@betweenhereandcalling.comno<![CDATA[A Little Faith, a Lot of Hats, and a Disney Pass with Rev. Dr. Debbie Allen]]>What happens when God’s call meets a very full calendar? In this episode of Between Here and Calling, Amie sits down with the Reverend Dr. Debbie Allen, a United Methodist pastor, district superintendent, and director of the Office of Clergy Excellence in the Florida Annual Conference, to talk about discerning God’s call, navigating the many demands of ministry and family, and making room for growth and renewal along the way.

Debbie shares the story of feeling called to ministry as a high school student, wrestling with messages about women in church leadership, and eventually finding the courage to say yes to a path she hadn’t originally imagined for herself. She reflects on pursuing her Doctor of Ministry while raising three sons and serving in ministry, and why it’s never too late to pursue a long-held dream.

Together, Amie and Debbie explore what it means to lead with open hands, remain attentive to the Holy Spirit, and resist the temptation to hold too tightly to our plans. Debbie also shares about mentoring and supporting women in ministry, the importance of community during seasons of uncertainty, and her long-awaited plans for renewal leave after 25 years of pastoral ministry.

And because life in ministry isn’t all meetings and discernment, there’s plenty of room for Debbie’s love of reading, her passion for spreadsheets, and her enthusiasm for Disney!

In this episode, we talk about:

  • Recognizing and responding to a call that just won’t let go
  • Navigating vocational discernment, family responsibilities, and the realities of ministry
  • Pursuing continued education and making space for personal growth
  • Supporting and opening pathways for women in church leadership
  • Learning to hold our plans loosely and stay open to the unexpected
  • Finding rest, renewal, and permission to prioritize yourself
  • Leaning on community and allowing others to carry us through seasons of uncertainty

Debbie leaves us with a powerful reminder for anyone wrestling with what comes next: remember that you are a beloved child of God, find your people, and let them love you.

Whether you’re discerning a call to ministry, navigating a new season of leadership, or simply trying to figure out what God might be inviting you into next, we hope this conversation encourages you to keep listening, keep growing, and make a little room to breathe along the way.

]]>https://www.betweenhereandcalling.com/cb956bc0-4c83-4148-bc91-53a73ea486eeTue, 27 Oct 2026 19:21:12 GMT<p>What happens when God’s call meets a very full calendar? In this episode of <i><em>Between Here and Calling</em></i>, Amie sits down with the Reverend Dr. Debbie Allen, a United Methodist pastor, district superintendent, and director of the Office of Clergy Excellence in the Florida Annual Conference, to talk about discerning God’s call, navigating the many demands of ministry and family, and making room for growth and renewal along the way.</p><p>Debbie shares the story of feeling called to ministry as a high school student, wrestling with messages about women in church leadership, and eventually finding the courage to say yes to a path she hadn’t originally imagined for herself. She reflects on pursuing her Doctor of Ministry while raising three sons and serving in ministry, and why it’s never too late to pursue a long-held dream.</p><p>Together, Amie and Debbie explore what it means to lead with open hands, remain attentive to the Holy Spirit, and resist the temptation to hold too tightly to our plans. Debbie also shares about mentoring and supporting women in ministry, the importance of community during seasons of uncertainty, and her long-awaited plans for renewal leave after 25 years of pastoral ministry.</p><p>And because life in ministry isn’t all meetings and discernment, there’s plenty of room for Debbie’s love of reading, her passion for spreadsheets, and her enthusiasm for Disney!</p><p><b><strong>In this episode, we talk about:</strong></b></p><ul><li>Recognizing and responding to a call that just won’t let go</li><li>Navigating vocational discernment, family responsibilities, and the realities of ministry</li><li>Pursuing continued education and making space for personal growth</li><li>Supporting and opening pathways for women in church leadership</li><li>Learning to hold our plans loosely and stay open to the unexpected</li><li>Finding rest, renewal, and permission to prioritize yourself</li><li>Leaning on community and allowing others to carry us through seasons of uncertainty</li></ul><p>Debbie leaves us with a powerful reminder for anyone wrestling with what comes next: remember that you are a beloved child of God, find your people, and let them love you.</p><p>Whether you’re discerning a call to ministry, navigating a new season of leadership, or simply trying to figure out what God might be inviting you into next, we hope this conversation encourages you to keep listening, keep growing, and make a little room to breathe along the way.</p>no00:30:1514A Little Faith, a Lot of Hats, and a Disney Pass with Rev. Dr. Debbie Allenfull<![CDATA[ What If the Parking Lot Is the Ministry? With Rev. Angelo Sanchez]]>What happens when the call you once questioned becomes a call you choose again? In this episode of Between Here and Calling, Amie sits down with Rev. Angelo Sanchez - Lead Pastor of Wesley Memorial UMC in Wilmington, NC - for an honest conversation about ministry burnout, finding renewed purpose, and discovering new possibilities when the path forward isn’t what you expected. From pursuing a Doctor of Ministry degree to imagining how a church parking lot could become a place of connection, care, and community, Angelo shares how a willingness to rethink the familiar can open new doors for ministry. They also explore the people who help us along the way—and our responsibility to become those people for others. At the heart of it all is a simple but challenging invitation: hold tightly to Christ, hold everything else loosely, and keep the main thing the main thing. Whether you’re navigating a season of uncertainty or wondering what God might be calling you toward next, this conversation offers encouragement to loosen your grip, trust the journey, and remain open to what’s possible.

]]>e09b89cb-a8b6-44ed-8a14-bf4895a7a98aWed, 14 Oct 2026 14:39:45 GMT<p>What happens when the call you once questioned becomes a call you choose again? In this episode of <i><em>Between Here and Calling</em></i>, Amie sits down with Rev. Angelo Sanchez - Lead Pastor of <a href="https://www.welcometowesleyumc.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Wesley Memorial UMC in Wilmington, NC</a> - for an honest conversation about ministry burnout, finding renewed purpose, and discovering new possibilities when the path forward isn’t what you expected. From pursuing a Doctor of Ministry degree to imagining how a church parking lot could become a place of connection, care, and community, Angelo shares how a willingness to rethink the familiar can open new doors for ministry. They also explore the people who help us along the way—and our responsibility to become those people for others. At the heart of it all is a simple but challenging invitation: hold tightly to Christ, hold everything else loosely, and keep the main thing the main thing. Whether you’re navigating a season of uncertainty or wondering what God might be calling you toward next, this conversation offers encouragement to loosen your grip, trust the journey, and remain open to what’s possible.</p>no00:40:2013 What If the Parking Lot Is the Ministry? With Rev. Angelo Sanchezfull<![CDATA[Try the Thing with Rev. Emilee Ogden]]>In this conversation, Rev. Emilee Ogden reflects on a calling that took nearly twenty years to fully unfold—from being told as a young woman that seminary wasn’t an option, to discovering her vocation as a United Methodist pastor. Emilee and Amie talk about learning to trust the gifts others see in us, finding fullness in the ministry we’re actually called to, the mentors who help us keep going, and what it means to discern without needing to know every detail of what comes next. Along the way, they talk about preaching, pastoral ministry, expansive welcome, Disney World, Dr Pepper, and one simple conviction: nothing is wasted.

]]>3f9edd1a-f6ec-4009-b72f-c8a5dd56a3a1Fri, 02 Oct 2026 13:40:54 GMT<p>In this conversation, Rev. Emilee Ogden reflects on a calling that took nearly twenty years to fully unfold—from being told as a young woman that seminary wasn’t an option, to discovering her vocation as a United Methodist pastor. Emilee and Amie talk about learning to trust the gifts others see in us, finding fullness in the ministry we’re actually called to, the mentors who help us keep going, and what it means to discern without needing to know every detail of what comes next. Along the way, they talk about preaching, pastoral ministry, expansive welcome, Disney World, Dr Pepper, and one simple conviction: nothing is wasted.</p>no00:50:1612Try the Thing with Rev. Emilee Ogdenfull<![CDATA[Where Theology Meets the Road with Rev. Shandon Klein]]>FROM PRE-MED TO PASTOR: SHANDON’S PATH INTO MINISTRY, MENTORING YOUTH, AND TRUSTING GOD THROUGH TRANSITION

“Just breathe. Really put that trust in the one who has given you all of your talents.”

Amie talks with Shandon about an unexpected calling story that moved from pre-med ambitions and medical research into pastoral ministry and academic work. They also discuss what it means to lead in a season of change, including Shandon’s upcoming move to Minneapolis, her ordination process, and the joy of helping a high school senior preach for the first time. In this conversation, Shandon shares how her Enneagram 2 personality shapes her ministry, why she sees herself as a “helper,” and how she learned to stop dictating her path and start listening for God’s direction. The episode is a mix of personal story, practical encouragement, and a clear picture of how mentoring can equip others to step into their own calling.

]]>7375ac8c-8e3c-44fe-b6f4-6ea37c42502aFri, 18 Sep 2026 15:41:55 GMT<p>FROM PRE-MED TO PASTOR: SHANDON’S PATH INTO MINISTRY, MENTORING YOUTH, AND TRUSTING GOD THROUGH TRANSITION<br /><br />“Just breathe. Really put that trust in the one who has given you all of your talents.”<br /><br />Amie talks with Shandon about an unexpected calling story that moved from pre-med ambitions and medical research into pastoral ministry and academic work. They also discuss what it means to lead in a season of change, including Shandon’s upcoming move to Minneapolis, her ordination process, and the joy of helping a high school senior preach for the first time. In this conversation, Shandon shares how her Enneagram 2 personality shapes her ministry, why she sees herself as a “helper,” and how she learned to stop dictating her path and start listening for God’s direction. The episode is a mix of personal story, practical encouragement, and a clear picture of how mentoring can equip others to step into their own calling.</p>no00:28:0011Where Theology Meets the Road with Rev. Shandon Kleinfull